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Not sure if others will agree with me or not. I run an all running team (this is my second season) and it is my opinion that Off Tackle type runs (probably including some of the hand offs) don't really fit in with the current "Outside Run" section of the playbook where they are required to go.

In that same vein - when I'm scouting a team - I generally consider off tackle runs to be "inside runs" for the purposes of game planning against them as in my mind - many of the same 'inside run' defenses also do well against off tackle runs.

In a perfect world - I'd say "let's add an off tackle section of the playbook...and tactics - but I'm afraid that might just be too much work.

So instead - my proposal:

Much like Goal Line plays can be added to either the Inside or the Outside rushing playbook -- allow specific runs to be treated the same way. These would include Off Tackle runs and some Outside Handoff plays where the pathing essentially dictates a run that is just off tackle.

I'm hoping this would require only a minimal tweak on the programming side (from play = outside to play = outside or inside for playbook section allowances).

I expect for many teams - this would make no difference what so ever - but for a heavy running team it would allow a little more flexibility -- and make those OT plays more usable -- it is my opinion that anything that expands the playbook and gets more plays being run on the field is a good thing.

Mhhh...Im biased here. Actually think that they do belong to the outside section and making them available for inside as well, would just take some diversity away.

I do agree the GL is weird. I would like to see the GL Pitch plays only be allowed in outside run section tbh...

I'm open to being crazy...but here is how I see it.

Inside runs - between the tackles obviously

Outside runs - there are really two groups.

Group 1: In the play graphic - the runner either brushes on the OT's shoulder...or runs through the gap between the OT and the TE.
Group 2: What I consider "true" outside runs where the runners path is 10+ yards away from the OT/TE (and where WR blocking comes more heavily into play)

I don't really see how this would "take diversity away"

After all - I can use "long" pass plays in my playbook for short, medium, deep or the long section....in my mind that ADDS diversity.

I'm not even asking for the same flexibility that the passing game has...I'm simply asking that those "between" plays (that brush the OT or go between the TE and OT) be made a little bit more flexibility. Even if it were done - the running game will still not have the flexibility that the passing game has.

I want to do away with the whole idea of playbook-tactics being separate things and just have a single playsheet (like real world coaches) that I stick the plays I'll call versus certain down, distances, and game siutation on without regard to short-long-run-whatever.

Well - that seems like a much more aggressive programming requirement.

I'm all for baby steps - and being able to run off tackle type runs from my inside playbook would let me have a lot more variety...(though not anywhere in line with the variety the passing game gets)

Originally posted by Xavori
I want to do away with the whole idea of playbook-tactics being separate things and just have a single playsheet (like real world coaches) that I stick the plays I'll call versus certain down, distances, and game siutation on without regard to short-long-run-whatever.

GLB1.

Was thinking this exact thing while gameplanning the other day! When I want an off tackle run play called is much closer to other inside runs than pitch plays tbh..

Also I would prefer what xav said but cant see it happening as that is just GLB1 before play creator and all that got implemented.

I approve this suggestion, I was thinking the same thing. I generally don't want to be forced to put off tackle runs into the same grouping as pitches and sweeps. Giving us the option to either place them in the inside playbook or the outside playbook would be great.

I agree also, they make setting priorities in Outside Running playbook a bit of a mare.

When I'm defending them, I actually treat them more like Outside runs and when I'm using them I consider them to be Inside Runs but it bugs me that I have to put them in the Outside set thus interfering with how I'd like to Sweep/Pitch.

We have enough advantages as OCs though and this limitation means I just don't use them much (not really built for it anyway). However, if I was invested in an all rushing team it would royally hack me off.

Originally posted by ki11erkiwi
Also I would prefer what xav said but cant see it happening as that is just GLB1 before play creator and all that got implemented.

Why exactly does something having been in GLB1 make it a NGTH suggestion?

Everything I've been told about GLB1 to 2 was to make things easier to understand and more accessible to new or casual players. Well, playsheets are a hell of a lot easier to understand than linking up WR counts, pass versus run, pass distance, zone-not zone, and blitz with a tactics sheets for down distance and a hanful of game situations.

Originally posted by Makntak
I agree also, they make setting priorities in Outside Running playbook a bit of a mare.

When I'm defending them, I actually treat them more like Outside runs and when I'm using them I consider them to be Inside Runs but it bugs me that I have to put them in the Outside set thus interfering with how I'd like to Sweep/Pitch.

We have enough advantages as OCs though and this limitation means I just don't use them much (not really built for it anyway). However, if I was invested in an all rushing team it would royally hack me off.

Thanks Mak.

I agree that this generally means I don't use off tackle runs...which is bad - prevents more diverse offenses.

Originally posted by Makntak
I agree also, they make setting priorities in Outside Running playbook a bit of a mare.

When I'm defending them, I actually treat them more like Outside runs and when I'm using them I consider them to be Inside Runs but it bugs me that I have to put them in the Outside set thus interfering with how I'd like to Sweep/Pitch.

We have enough advantages as OCs though and this limitation means I just don't use them much (not really built for it anyway). However, if I was invested in an all rushing team it would royally hack me off.

Oddly, I treat them in exactly the opposite way.

When DC'ing, I think of off tackle as inside runs because the same plays that stop inside runs stop off tackle.

When OC'ing, I think of them as outside runs because with enough carrying awareness, there is a good chance the back will bounce it completely outside if that's where the open area is, or cut just outside the tackle if the defense over pursues. Either way, it's usually a 3-8 yard gain, rarely TFL, and that's all I really want from my outside runs anymore.