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Alpine called a great game, not complaining about losing to them, great team. Watching the game just made this bug apparent. I have 5 plays in the DPB for 4 wide sets and it is only calling one play. I know how to set up the D, so please don't say I need to adjust anything. I have not had a problem with this before.

The problem is I have my D tactics all set to 0 so that is goes solely on priority. This has worked as I have wanted every other game. It appears as though it is using play tags still, even though it shouldn't.

Either remove play tags or make D tactics work please.

Also, an adjustment to the heuristic coverage. The CBs should always pick up and line up over a WR before any S does. In Alpine's 4 WR sets I have a SS and FS taking priority over CB3 and CB4 in manning up on a WR. And I understand the safeties are in man, but since they are doubling and the specific play is not "double WR/TE or smother" named or in a close formation, you don't want the safeties to line up over the man. That is illogical because it gives the play call away to the offense, they obviously aren't going to be in a deep zone like safeties are more often in. Also, it seems that blitzing CBs don't line up over the man like the should to not totally give away the blitz.

Another thing, unrelated to this game, but since I mentioned the heuristic coverage. Whoever's man assignment is the HB or FB should never line up over them. That gives away the play to the offense and also makes it much more difficult for the offense to run.

Just little bugs with suggestions to improve/remove them.

"gives the play call away to the offense" is probably a level of detail we don't have to get into for this game. The offense doesn't have the ability to react to that anyway. If it is, it's probably several steps down the road after some other more impactful changes occur.

When I get time I'll look at the 4WR coverage to see what you mean - I thought the way the heuristic worked the CBs already pick up WRs before the safeties do.

It was certainly a lot of the exact same D call over and over, I agree on that.

If it's always worked before then it's still working now. We haven't uploaded any changes this week.

Originally posted by NiborRis
"gives the play call away to the offense" is probably a level of detail we don't have to get into for this game. The offense doesn't have the ability to react to that anyway. If it is, it's probably several steps down the road after some other more impactful changes occur.

When I get time I'll look at the 4WR coverage to see what you mean - I thought the way the heuristic worked the CBs already pick up WRs before the safeties do.

It was certainly a lot of the exact same D call over and over, I agree on that.

Yes, the even larger problem was the bugged tactics.

I definitely don't think the other item is a level too high for the sim. Before the better heuristic coverage (not saying it's bad, just can still be improved) a safety doubling a WR could still be lined up at the normal safety pre-snap spot. It's not something new. It's not really that CBs didn't pick up the WRs per se, they were basically not lined up over the WR because they were blitzing, and the safeties lined up over the WRs. That is illogical in real football, which I'm not saying the sim needs to emulate perfectly or exactly, but it's the basis and goal it's shooting for right? I mean the heuristic coverage was put in to make coverage more like how a generic real life team would handle coverage right?

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
I mean the heuristic coverage was put in to make coverage more like how a generic real life team would handle coverage right?

eh not rly... I'd say more to just fix the faulty plays leaving receivers wide open.

it was more than a fix than a new feature.

Yeah, regardless of it being a fix or a new feature, it made coverage more resemble what a real team would do. A real team would communicate and make sure everyone was single covered 99% of the time before doubling or tripling a guy. The reason it needed to be fixed was it wasn't what a normal defender/defense would do in real life. Now coverage assignments are better because they are more realistic.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
Yeah, regardless of it being a fix or a new feature, it made coverage more resemble what a real team would do.

so its a coincidence basically.

So can this ridiculously debilitating, but admittedly rarish, bug be looked or commented on please?

Only thing I don't like about the blitzing corners not playing up their man is that they now are deeper and thus have a longer route to the qb than before.

As per giving the play away agreed with nibs. You aren't giving anything away at this point because we can't do anything about it on the fly. When they decide to do their live play calling game options that will make more sense though but hopefully that is far down the road from where we are currently.

Originally posted by bhall43
As per giving the play away agreed with nibs. You aren't giving anything away at this point because we can't do anything about it on the fly. When they decide to do their live play calling game options that will make more sense though but hopefully that is far down the road from where we are currently.

Well then just line up all outside blitzers in an over form or inside blockers right over the DT(s). The point is to get it closer to real life, not farther. The CBs already usually line up over their man normally. When they blitz they are moved ever slightly inside, probably wouldn't do a bunch for them getting a sack.

But then you have something that looks like real life. Which if we're not going for then you can just change the rules, stop using realistic play, and a bunch of other stuff. But anyways, then you'd have the S or OLB at their normal position and coming over to man up on the WR like other plays. It looks fine on other plays, it'd be nice for some more consistency.