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Seems like someone has dropped the ball on this one.

Originally posted by Corndog
Well, the rookie team is possibly ranked too high, but the sophomore team is (or was) definitely ranked too low.

It's a S2 sophomore handout team, which I personally believe should all have started with a higher rating than they did. But that's not really worth arguing about since handing out non-rookie teams is not planned to be an ongoing feature.

In general the new S2 sophomore teams will play matches below their skill level this season, or each other, in the ladder as the ELO works itself out.

On the other hand, this matchup of new S2 sophomore vs Rookie seemed a little more equitable:
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/24983

Originally posted by JohnnyDollar
So it seems corny agrees the ladder is broken as he's stated that teams seem to often be misranked. (Which is the purpose of the ladder.) What's the solution?

In your first season of course you're misranked. There's not enough evidence on how good the teams are until they've played a fair number of games against different levels of competition. The solution is to play more games and get your rating more correct.

Bort's decision to have teams prefer to play in their own tier means that you'll still get mostly games against your own tier, at least, to help avoid having too many ladder games that are real mismatches. The downside to that, as Corndog alludes to, is that it takes longer for the rookie and sophomore ladder ratings to be correct relative to each other.

if the rankings were perfect, there would be no need to play the games.

Originally posted by NiborRis


I'll just repost my gripe about all this

Originally posted by drake262
According to Corny, top rookie teams will play top rookie teams. Then the other top rookie teams will play mid-ranked rookie teams. Then the leftover mid-ranked rookie teams will play low level soph teams.

We know we would lose to teams like Zorp because of superior gameplanning and S* dots. However I would like if they would face soph teams. Beating only rookie teams they're ranked 137 http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/team/37

If my team http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/team/22 loses 1 ladder game or league game to a tough team, we will be ranked similar to Zorps ranking. Then they could overtake us because they play rookie teams? Dumb imo

I brought up all these concerns last season when it was pretty obvious there were going to be complaints, but GLB seems pretty content with the situation. I'll admit I underestimated how competitive the top rookie teams would be with the lower-mid sophomore teams, but not by much. They did introduce some separation of the incoming rookie teams and the existent sophomore teams, although they didn't tell us how that worked.

Right now I think the biggest problem is temporary and won't exist going forward - the starting ranking of teams introduced midseason in S1 and starting Sophomore teams in S2 was far too low. It's quite possible the rookie rating starting point was just fine.

And if it makes you feel better, Zorp's playing a sophomore team this week.

I have a similar situation. We are the 44th ranked rookie team as of right now. And our ladder game in an hour is against a sophomore team. I don't really mind, except we just started figuring everything out, our offense and defense are doing a lot better, we are on a bit of a roll. We're 9-3 in our last 12, and we've won our last 4. This game will set us back.

What I can really see happening is: We lose this one drop a few ranks on the ladder, win our league game and get the points back, and play another sophomore team next week. I can see this being a pretty arduous cycle for us. And it really sucks that even though we've started learning the game and putting together better plans we won't be able to climb up the ladder ranks.

Well, you won't for sure play a sophomore team next week - the team in the OP didn't, taking a look (they also lost to the Rookie team they played, too). And you may underestimate yourselves vs the low ranked sophomores; a lot of them are lower ranked because they haven't figured things out very well yet, and just having the right playbook and a little better build plan can make up a lot of ground.

Originally posted by NiborRis
Well, you won't for sure play a sophomore team next week - the team in the OP didn't, taking a look (they also lost to the Rookie team they played, too). And you may underestimate yourselves vs the low ranked sophomores; a lot of them are lower ranked because they haven't figured things out very well yet, and just having the right playbook and a little better build plan can make up a lot of ground.

It wasn't as ugly as it could have been. 27-0.

I wasn't saying that I would definitely get stuck in that loop, but if my ladder rank is about the same for the next rounds of ladder games I could theoretically draw another sophomore team, and that would prevent us from progressing up the ladder. Just an idle concern, the ladder is just for bragging rights anyway, and we may have been too sloppy early in the season to comeback in our league, so the ladder may be all we have.

lol you guys are forgetting the teams you are playing are usually god awful... put a lil gameplan together and win.

Originally posted by Jampy2.0
lol you guys are forgetting the teams you are playing are usually god awful... put a lil gameplan together and win.

Your funny. I don't care how well FSU game plans. They will never beat the Texans. We're talking completely different skill levels.