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DTs are much taller which leads to longer arms... They should try to Pass Deflect more than the DEs...

Originally posted by Jampy2.0
DTs are much taller which leads to longer arms... They should try to Pass Deflect more than the DEs...




Eh, I figured DL positions were all pretty much similar heights, with the interior guys obviously being heavier. Then I looked this up: http://regressing.deadspin.com/chart-the-height-and-weight-of-every-nfl-player-by-po-1445608274

Looks like DEs are generally taller. Trivial really.




All this makes me wonder: Do PF's even have a "direction"? If the QB pump fakes in GLB is he pump faking in a general direction? If not, how do you figure out who is in the pump fake "passing lane"?.

I wonder if it'd be possible to add that in to the game. Have the QB pump fake to a specific receiver or something. Could affect coverage as well as pass rushing. Coverage guys might break toward the receiver, pass rushers who think they're in the passing lane might put a hand up/jump.

If that's already in the game, ignore that suggestion.

Originally posted by Laggo
makes Pump Fake too mandatory IMO (although QB's seem to already more or less have this problem)

I think if the defensive backfield's one job before the ball is thrown is to cover receivers, it's already pretty broken to have a percentage chance to fuck that up. Keep in mind Pass Awareness (the trigger) is already pretty much a mandatory top 3-4 stat for QB's while the reverse is not necessarily true for all coverage players. You don't need to make Pump Fake a one-stop "get out of jail free" SA. What other position has an SA that bails them out of two of their most problematic situations (being blitzed and having no open receivers). It would be like a DE skill that gave you a chance to instantly jump back up after a pancake AND jumped you forward on a snap.

I think we need a solution to the rampant ease of blitzing but I don't think an SA is the answer.

As it is pump fake is 9/11ths useless since every team plays man. This suggestions gives pump fake some kind of purpose against both man and zone

Originally posted by Jampy2.0
DTs are much taller which leads to longer arms... They should try to Pass Deflect more than the DEs...




...lolwut?

Originally posted by Staz

I'd also expect the chances of faking a rusher to be far lower when they're engaged with a blocker, and higher when they're running free. You see QBs pump fake when scrambling to get the defender off their feet or to cause enough of a hesitation to give them some space.


I like the idea of having a hit to drop back grip/power, but if you get hit during a PF would it be more likely to be an incompletion due to "forward motion"?

Why's that? When I played d line I wasn't allowed to take my eyes off the backfield

Originally posted by E-A-G-L-E-S
Why's that? When I played d line I wasn't allowed to take my eyes off the backfield

Why is what?

Chances to fake a rusher engaged with a blocker be less effective than a free rusher

Originally posted by E-A-G-L-E-S
Chances to fake a rusher engaged with a blocker be less effective than a free rusher

Yeah I didn't get that point either.

Originally posted by E-A-G-L-E-S
Chances to fake a rusher engaged with a blocker be less effective than a free rusher

this is the opposite of what i think happens
if you look at the nfl for examples a lot of times guys who are engaged and not near the qb are the most likely to put their hands up, they have no chance of getting a sack on the qb before the ball is off
guys who are almost to the qb, unblocked, and coming from not the direction hes throwing are the least likely to go for a pd as they are trying to sack/fumble

Originally posted by flynn
this is the opposite of what i think happens
if you look at the nfl for examples a lot of times guys who are engaged and not near the qb are the most likely to put their hands up, they have no chance of getting a sack on the qb before the ball is off
guys who are almost to the qb, unblocked, and coming from not the direction hes throwing are the least likely to go for a pd as they are trying to sack/fumble

Thass what I'm saaaaayyyyin. Although being a free Blitzer doesn't really penalize you if youre aware of what's going on both behind and in front of you. I've seen plenty of free blitzers choosing to jump rather than try to finish the sack.

I guess that makes sense. Initially, I was recalling instances in which a defender who wasn't engaged, but wasn't in position to hit the QB before he throws, stops and jumps in an attempt to bat the pass down. See it on scrambles, roll outs, etc. when a QB is trying to buy a little more time/space to make a play. At the same time, I was figuring an engaged rusher might be in the middle of a pass rush move.

Makes sense that a player who isn't able to get there in time would put a hand up (if engaged), or jump (if not engaged) and a player who is able to get there would likely try to kick in that extra gear.

Edit: Assuming they were actually "in" the passing lane (or perceived passing lane if it was a pump fake)


Also, are we aware of if there is a "direction" on pump fakes?

Originally posted by Staz
Makes sense that a player who isn't able to get there in time would put a hand up (if engaged), or jump (if not engaged) and a player who is able to get there would likely try to kick in that extra gear.

this is how i feel