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Originally posted by -Phaytle-
The team with the higher rank in my opinion because it can be looked at as strength of schedule. There is a reason the better teams go up the ladder and vice versa. Some near the top have a loss or two more than the middle, but they are beating better opponents.

I guess I see it as the playoffs should be the best 4 teams. The ladder is an ongoing system of which teams are better, so it will naturally send the better team if used in a tiebreaker. But it seems like people don't think the tiebreaker should send the better of two tied teams. Might as well just go to the coin flip instead of PA then.

Again. The ladder rank is not seasonal. And honestly...I wouldn't say it is a measure of the best teams always. Take a look at Hawk Division: MEM is ranked 15th (highest in their division) right now but they are 1-1-3 in their own division.

Originally posted by bhall43
Again. The ladder rank is not seasonal. And honestly...I wouldn't say it is a measure of the best teams always. Take a look at Hawk Division: MEM is ranked 15th (highest in their division) right now but they are 1-1-3 in their own division.



Of course it's not seasonal. Hey, guys, the ladder isn't seasonal... even though everyone already knew that before it was said once in this thread, I just wanted to say it again.

That's cool about MEM, they're probably not going for a playoff spot then. Of teams that are ted for a playoff spot right now, go through and look at each of them and decipher who is the better team. 99/100 times that team will also have a higher ladder rank. Way more accurate than PA.

Originally posted by TxSteve
Ladder doesn't work.

My team is (I think) the highest ladder rank in my league. We are 7-1 in ladder games and ranked at 74.

If I dump my team this offseason and it gets a new owner - they will still be in the 70's -- they might go 4-4 in ladder games next year and STILL be ahead of a team that goes 7-1 in ladder games next season...

If the ladder started fresh every single season (impossible) - ladder rank might work for a tie breaker...but there is no scenario under which ladder rank can or should mean something for a league or division tie...

I don't know why I'm even trying here as people more eloquent than I am have already been ignored by you!

Honestly - I'm starting to wonder if you're just trolling..."But it seems like people don't think the tiebreaker should send the better of two tied teams" Ok - I'm convinced.

Trolling is the lowest of low. Honestly, whoever thinks trolling is funny ro worth their time even if they are bored should be killed. Yes, killed. I'm an all or nothing kind of guy with most things. I don't like people fucking with people unless they deserve it. As strongly as you say ladder doesn't work, I say it does, so it's pointless just saying it doesn't. I'm at least trying to show how it could work better than what is implemented.

I highly doubt a dumped team that goes 4-4 in ladder will stay within 10 spots. But if it does only go 4-4 in ladder and it has been dumped and rebuilt it probably won't be tied for a playoff spot so a tiebreaker won't even enter the equation.

And I didn't know ignoring was replying directly to pretty much everything that has been said or I felt was relevant and on topic.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
Of course it's not seasonal. Hey, guys, the ladder isn't seasonal... even though everyone already knew that before it was said once in this thread, I just wanted to say it again.

That's cool about MEM, they're probably not going for a playoff spot then. Of teams that are ted for a playoff spot right now, go through and look at each of them and decipher who is the better team. 99/100 times that team will also have a higher ladder rank. Way more accurate than PA.

I keep pointing it out because it continues to kill your logic that using league ranking is meaningful for a seasonal tie breaker.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
Of teams that are ted for a playoff spot right now, go through and look at each of them and decipher who is the better team. 99/100 times that team will also have a higher ladder rank.

This is only true because we've only had one season. Once we've had 10 seasons it's going to be a lot worse.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
Way more accurate than PA.

Well, no one is really advocating for keeping PA, so who cares. Do you really think ladder is "way more accurate" than margin of victory, for example?

And the results are in:

Chicago Bruins win their final game, 14-7.
Galactic Heroes win their final game, 14-7.

Galactic wins on the PA measure: 117-119.

#11 ladder ranked team will be watching the #75 ranked team take the division.

BUT, Baller squad got upset in the other division, which means Chicago was able to secure the Wildcard!

For my part, i think divisional tiebreaker should be H2H wins, Division wins, H2H scoring differential as the top 3. This would have put Galactic Heroes in the playoffs still, but it would be less controversial perhaps.

In my league (Gator) - there is a 4 way tie for the wild card spot (all 5-5) - curious how that one will sort out....

Congrats on making it in Phaytle (even though you needed help) - you are obviously passionate about your team and the game so I'm happy for you.

Originally posted by Galithor
And the results are in:

Chicago Bruins win their final game, 14-7.
Galactic Heroes win their final game, 14-7.

Galactic wins on the PA measure: 117-119.

#11 ladder ranked team will be watching the #75 ranked team take the division.

BUT, Baller squad got upset in the other division, which means Chicago was able to secure the Wildcard!

For my part, i think divisional tiebreaker should be H2H wins, Division wins, H2H scoring differential as the top 3. This would have put Galactic Heroes in the playoffs still, but it would be less controversial perhaps.

I'm excited that we both got in. It would make a good championship match-up.

Originally posted by Galithor
And the results are in:

Chicago Bruins win their final game, 14-7.
Galactic Heroes win their final game, 14-7.

Galactic wins on the PA measure: 117-119.

#11 ladder ranked team will be watching the #75 ranked team take the division.

BUT, Baller squad got upset in the other division, which means Chicago was able to secure the Wildcard!

For my part, i think divisional tiebreaker should be H2H wins, Division wins, H2H scoring differential as the top 3. This would have put Galactic Heroes in the playoffs still, but it would be less controversial perhaps.

Apparently what we have been talking about in this thread is not correct. Now that the playoff match-ups are available, Galactic Heroes is listed second in the division and playing the team with the best record, which sounds like we got the wild card.

Originally posted by briansimoneau
Apparently what we have been talking about in this thread is not correct. Now that the playoff match-ups are available, Galactic Heroes is listed second in the division and playing the team with the best record, which sounds like we got the wild card.

Great, now we have no idea what the tiebreakers are.

Originally posted by briansimoneau
Apparently what we have been talking about in this thread is not correct. Now that the playoff match-ups are available, Galactic Heroes is listed second in the division and playing the team with the best record, which sounds like we got the wild card.

Yeah, this is weird. Changing the tiebreakers without actually defining them is almost as bad as having a bad tiebreaker in the first place. I'd be fine with taking the #4 seed this season if the tiebreakers were improved and publicly defined.