Warrior General Games

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma

Honestly, I don't put a ton of emphasis on missed tackles. Even this guy misses tackles fairly often - http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=1693245&playoffs=0 and he's 149 Str, 82 tackling.

Damn, thats a good argument against high strength...

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma

And of course with higher strength and tackling you'd see less missed tackles. But on the other hand, with less speed and agility you're going to get less tackle opportunities. You've got to be in place to make the tackle, and if you're not fast enough to get there, you don't even have the chance.

Thats again another good point. But if you would be responsible for only one gap, it might work. And yes I know thats not a good plan... What happens if the RB goes to the left and not the right?... At least in a goalline situtation it might would help... But who would sign a player only for goalline plays...

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma

We're not talking real world here, we're talking GLB.

Way too true. Its sad, that only extreme one sided builds make the cut to be very succesful...

Thanks for some inside views from a pro!

EDIT: I think I will start a new LB next season. Probably a blitzing OLB, because to build a good working coverage or MLB guy seems to be very difficult and you should have some experience with succesful LBs before...
Here is my plan to build him. I would like to hear your opinion, so the player isnt bad from the beginning:
Build him on day 41, probably boost him on the last possible day of the offseason, train speed till after the first regular season game, Pump all SPs into speed, than quadruple train agility, vision, strength, tackling... Would that be a good plan for a new player?

Im building a HH MLB atm , end build will have 90 STR/AGL/TKL with 80 some speed all nat, all eq into SPD should put him at 130 some SPD . But at his current training rate he will only be able to afford 2 AEQ pieces which will hurt his total SPs a bit. Im just hoping that 130-135 SPD is going to be enough for a LBer. If it isnt then a decent looking DOT will be hiting the retirment home early

Originally posted by Sellars
Im building a HH MLB atm , end build will have 90 STR/AGL/TKL with 80 some speed all nat, all eq into SPD should put him at 130 some SPD . But at his current training rate he will only be able to afford 2 AEQ pieces which will hurt his total SPs a bit. Im just hoping that 130-135 SPD is going to be enough for a LBer. If it isnt then a decent looking DOT will be hiting the retirment home early

You can really get by with low speed (120ish maybe) but a knowledgeable DC is required...and the desire for that type of dot is required.

What most people think of as a HH MLB in football, when directly translated to GLB, the dot is essentially an extra tackle, which CAN work but you have to know how to use him.

Originally posted by Sellars
Im building a HH MLB atm , end build will have 90 STR/AGL/TKL with 80 some speed all nat, all eq into SPD should put him at 130 some SPD . But at his current training rate he will only be able to afford 2 AEQ pieces which will hurt his total SPs a bit. Im just hoping that 130-135 SPD is going to be enough for a LBer. If it isnt then a decent looking DOT will be hiting the retirment home early

What about vision, stamina, and confidence?

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
Originally posted by Sellars

Im building a HH MLB atm , end build will have 90 STR/AGL/TKL with 80 some speed all nat, all eq into SPD should put him at 130 some SPD . But at his current training rate he will only be able to afford 2 AEQ pieces which will hurt his total SPs a bit. Im just hoping that 130-135 SPD is going to be enough for a LBer. If it isnt then a decent looking DOT will be hiting the retirment home early

What about vision, stamina, and confidence?

He can get 60+ vision/stamina and probably confidence as well...But with that plan, HH is the wrong archetype. 4 high value attributes listed, Blitzer has 3 of them as majors with speed being one of the majors. If you're putting 55-58 EQ points into an attribute, it really makes sense to make that attribute your highest, and you don't lose anything with Blitzer unless you actually place a value on the "penalized" SAs, which all blow for LBs anyway.

I'd have to see it to believe it. Maybe I'll run it through the builder. I doubt you could get all three to 60 with 3-90 and one low 80s natural even with the extra training, but I could be wrong. I mean Majerle wasn't built poorly by any stretch, he was 3 seasons on when the ATs came out, and he was built with 4 AE in mind. But he's not anywhere near that.

I mean you're looking at spending to 77 attr 1, 81 attr 2, 83 attr 3. That puts you at what, level 45 ? Now you've got to run speed to 81 as well (probably 20 levels of SP), then come back for the rest.

Originally posted by Sellars
Im just hoping that 130-135 SPD is going to be enough for a LBer.
I play GLB for a long time, but never had a player in higher leagues. So how high end RBs, WRs or rushing QBs with speed, if +130 for a LB could be too low?

Originally posted by Forbin
But with that plan, HH is the wrong archetype. 4 high value attributes listed, Blitzer has 3 of them as majors with speed being one of the majors.
I planed my strong LB to be like that, essentially more of a 2nd or 3rd tackle. But than HH would be the wrong archtype? Thats really confusing...

Originally posted by Forbin
unless you actually place a value on the "penalized" SAs, which all blow for LBs anyway.
So SAs in general arent good for LBs, probably except defense general?! I noticed that Pumas guys dont have a lot of them...

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
I'd have to see it to believe it. Maybe I'll run it through the builder. I doubt you could get all three to 60 with 3-90 and one low 80s natural even with the extra training
How can you get there? Only intense training one attribute at a time or quadruple most of the time? Doesnt it hurt the ALGs, like to said before?

120 isnt abnormally low, but most high end LBs are around 130 with eq. if you have a really balanced LB with 125 thats fairly common

SAs for LBs suck. Zoo Keeper sold out on D General around level 40 before I realized it was worhtless. Majerle was meant as a poor attempt at a FF build so I went with Monster Hit on him. But other than that Shed Block might be the only LB SA I'd consider for a MLB or Blitzer. If you're building a coverage LB, all the LB SAs are worthless. I guess you might be able to argue for swat ball. But LBs really need so much in the way of attributes that there's often precious little to put into SAs.

As for speed, prior to the ALG changes, it was hard to get LBs in the high 130s low 140s in speed because the .33 ALG on speed just wouldn't cut it. With the new ALGs though, .5, it's going to be more common that you'll have guys in the 140s.

Thanks for all these good infomation. Hopefully my next LB will be better!