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I was given GM access to his team. The TE's build looks fine.

Two major things concern me. First of all, in this replay, the TE simply just missed his vision check.
Originally posted by Dr. E
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1521611&pbp_id=6796534

Here is the same play from the same game vs the same defense.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1521611&pbp_id=6800169

Even when they are lined up weak shifted, the TE doesn't always miss his block.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1521611&pbp_id=6798420

The Second thing that concerns me is that we are already sure almost all of these incidents happened versus plays from the old DPC. Even though the "fix" for this won't be 100% effective until next season, it is a known issue that has already been fixed.

NOT LIKELY A BUG

Originally posted by stromstarhammer
Originally posted by truthhammer

Originally posted by Catch22


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Originally posted by Androth
Here is the same play from the same game vs the same defense.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1521611&pbp_id=6800169

Even when they are lined up weak shifted, the TE doesn't always miss his block.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1521611&pbp_id=6798420

The Second thing that concerns me is that we are already sure almost all of these incidents happened versus plays from the old DPC. Even though the "fix" for this won't be 100% effective until next season, it is a known issue that has already been fixed.

NOT LIKELY A BUG

as for the bug itself, seeing a blocker to engage before you get downfield 8 yards shouldn't be a DPC thing, regardless if it was changed or not.

something happens to make the TE miss blocks sometimes. regardless of what that is, there are plenty of replays here to make some sort of determination as to why its happening. it just seems off, which is why i'm going to disagree.

Originally posted by Androth
Here is the same play from the same game vs the same defense.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1521611&pbp_id=6800169

Even when they are lined up weak shifted, the TE doesn't always miss his block.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1521611&pbp_id=6798420

The Second thing that concerns me is that we are already sure almost all of these incidents happened versus plays from the old DPC. Even though the "fix" for this won't be 100% effective until next season, it is a known issue that has already been fixed.

So then we have the opinion that when all we have is plays from the new play creator, this will go away. Only problem is, it's possible to set all the LBs and SS inside with the new play creator.



NOT LIKELY A BUG

If your opinion is correct, it would seem the TE only has missed vision checks when that play runs. And of course, the missed vision check is also not creating sauron's eye.

So do we allow the problem that was reported last season and reported it would be fixed this season to persist, (oh, just got to say, when I say I'm going to do something, it gets done. My word is gold, what does the word of GLB mean?). Do we wait until midway through season 21 to find the new D plays don't fix the problem and then wait until we can get enough posts to verify it's a bug and not something else and finally get around to running a test and fixing it season 22. Or, do we take the time to change the code to cause the TE to stop a few yards earlier. It's clear the TE is programed to eventually stop, how about we just change that, shorten up his run downfield.

Originally posted by Dr. E
If your opinion is correct, it would seem the TE only has missed vision checks when that play runs. And of course, the missed vision check is also not creating sauron's eye.


Sauron's eye is only pre-snap, afik. If this is a vision check it is definitely a post snap one (the LB is not blitzing)

Originally posted by Dr. E
If your opinion is correct, it would seem the TE only has missed vision checks when that play runs. And of course, the missed vision check is also not creating sauron's eye.

I pasted you replays of your own TE not failing the vision check, and Tragula is correct that it is not a presnap vision check and would have no eye.

Originally posted by Androth
I pasted you replays of your own TE not failing the vision check, and Tragula is correct that it is not a presnap vision check and would have no eye.


Again, why does it only happen on the I formation when all the D is lined up inside. And,, it happens every single time, what are the odds of that. Logic says you are wrong.

Did logic forget to look at the replays? I posted you examples from your own team that show that to be false.

Originally posted by Androth
Did logic forget to look at the replays? I posted you examples from your own team that show that to be false.

Those replays are in the SI. My bug is about the I formation. I mentioned the SI once somewhere else in this thread, but the post is about the I, where it happens every single time without fail.

After all of the information linked here. I got from this thread what I could. I have a few questions.

1. Are there any links of I-Form Off Tackle against a NEW DPC play?

2. Are there any links of I-Form Off Tackle against a NEW DPC play that the TE looks inside and doesn't run up field?

This is as far as it is possible to Weak Shift the D-Line in the NEW DPC.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565989&pbp_id=875659
This is also your TE behaving correctly.

Originally posted by Androth
This is as far as it is possible to Weak Shift the D-Line in the NEW DPC.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565989&pbp_id=875659
This is also your TE behaving correctly.

Good, now run that LOLB inside more and see if the TE finds him or runs downfield and the whole issue is decided.

Since Lensar restarted this thread, I am saving this one for him.

Originally posted by Androth
This is as far as it is possible to Weak Shift the D-Line in the NEW DPC.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565989&pbp_id=875659
This is also your TE behaving correctly.

According to Catch, if this isn't happening 100% of the time, it's not a bug.

Closing as ISSUE DETERMINED NOT TO BE A BUG.