w/e floats your boat I guess, but I'm just saying that getting a gold bar isn't going to interfere with raising speed. Speed gets no level gains so there's no real advantage to adding speed early in a player's build.
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Originally posted by risico
If you have a gold blocking bar by 45 or whatever you are likely lacking in STR/AGI/SPD/STAM.
So congrats on pumping Vision and Confidence before everyone else....
Wrong on all counts.
If you have a gold blocking bar by 45 or whatever you are likely lacking in STR/AGI/SPD/STAM.
So congrats on pumping Vision and Confidence before everyone else....
Wrong on all counts.
Edited by BayouBobby on Dec 22, 2009 15:31:24
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Originally posted by immagonnawin
Originally posted by risico
Ummm... ok.
Why cap speed before vision when speed gets no leveling gains?
Because speed > vision.
I will take speed over vision for centers any day.....
I do agree with this however
Originally posted by risico
Ummm... ok.
Why cap speed before vision when speed gets no leveling gains?
Because speed > vision.
I will take speed over vision for centers any day.....
I do agree with this however
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Originally posted by BayouBobby
Wrong on all counts.
How is that wrong? Please explain to me how you can have 77 str, 74 blk, 77 agi, 61 spd, 50 agi, 50 vis, 50 conf by level 45.
Alternatively, if you decide to go to say, only 74 str and 74 agi, or leave spd and stam at 25 and work them later, it becomes much easier to get the rest of the stats that influence the bar to where they need to be.
But does that make for a better build? In my opinion, it does not.
Wrong on all counts.
How is that wrong? Please explain to me how you can have 77 str, 74 blk, 77 agi, 61 spd, 50 agi, 50 vis, 50 conf by level 45.
Alternatively, if you decide to go to say, only 74 str and 74 agi, or leave spd and stam at 25 and work them later, it becomes much easier to get the rest of the stats that influence the bar to where they need to be.
But does that make for a better build? In my opinion, it does not.
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Originally posted by immagonnawin
How is that wrong? Please explain to me how you can have 77 str, 74 blk, 77 agi, 61 spd, 50 agi, 50 vis, 50 conf by level 45.
Alternatively, if you decide to go to say, only 74 str and 74 agi, or leave spd and stam at 25 and work them later, it becomes much easier to get the rest of the stats that influence the bar to where they need to be.
But does that make for a better build? In my opinion, it does not.
did you look at my build? http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1146173
like I said, low on stam/spd, and assuming your typo listing agi a second time is meant to be stamina, then I'm slightly low on agility too. but I have much higher strength and blocking. Any C left at 77 str/74 blk by lvl 45 is very far behind the curve.
How is that wrong? Please explain to me how you can have 77 str, 74 blk, 77 agi, 61 spd, 50 agi, 50 vis, 50 conf by level 45.
Alternatively, if you decide to go to say, only 74 str and 74 agi, or leave spd and stam at 25 and work them later, it becomes much easier to get the rest of the stats that influence the bar to where they need to be.
But does that make for a better build? In my opinion, it does not.
did you look at my build? http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1146173
like I said, low on stam/spd, and assuming your typo listing agi a second time is meant to be stamina, then I'm slightly low on agility too. but I have much higher strength and blocking. Any C left at 77 str/74 blk by lvl 45 is very far behind the curve.
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Originally posted by immagonnawin
Originally posted by BayouBobby
Wrong on all counts.
How is that wrong? Please explain to me how you can have 77 str, 74 blk, 77 agi, 61 spd, 50 agi, 50 vis, 50 conf by level 45.
Alternatively, if you decide to go to say, only 74 str and 74 agi, or leave spd and stam at 25 and work them later, it becomes much easier to get the rest of the stats that influence the bar to where they need to be.
But does that make for a better build? In my opinion, it does not.
If you have 50 stamina by level 45, then you have wasted SP's imho. Those are SP's that could have been placed in more important attributes. I only train my stamina, and it was at around 40 when my center hit level 45. Everything else you named off, I either had it or far exceeded it(except for agility). My center had a lot more strength(like 96 natural), close to 80 blocking, 70 agility, 61 speed, 60 vision, and 50 conf.(I trained it up to the softcap before I added any SP's to it) by the time he was level 45.
Originally posted by BayouBobby
Wrong on all counts.
How is that wrong? Please explain to me how you can have 77 str, 74 blk, 77 agi, 61 spd, 50 agi, 50 vis, 50 conf by level 45.
Alternatively, if you decide to go to say, only 74 str and 74 agi, or leave spd and stam at 25 and work them later, it becomes much easier to get the rest of the stats that influence the bar to where they need to be.
But does that make for a better build? In my opinion, it does not.
If you have 50 stamina by level 45, then you have wasted SP's imho. Those are SP's that could have been placed in more important attributes. I only train my stamina, and it was at around 40 when my center hit level 45. Everything else you named off, I either had it or far exceeded it(except for agility). My center had a lot more strength(like 96 natural), close to 80 blocking, 70 agility, 61 speed, 60 vision, and 50 conf.(I trained it up to the softcap before I added any SP's to it) by the time he was level 45.
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I obviously didn't mean that you should have 77 natural strength by 45.
I mean you should take it to 77 right off the bat. By level 13, or whatever.
You should be at or just under 100 by the time you are level 45.
I mean you should take it to 77 right off the bat. By level 13, or whatever.
You should be at or just under 100 by the time you are level 45.
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In terms of stamina, I got it to 50 at level 49 or something.
It was at 41.06, I had 8 SP, nothing else would have capped with 8 SP.
trained it over to 50...
I haven't gone below 85 energy in one game since, playing much better late in games.
It was at 41.06, I had 8 SP, nothing else would have capped with 8 SP.
trained it over to 50...
I haven't gone below 85 energy in one game since, playing much better late in games.
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Originally posted by AngryDragon
I hope to have mine no later than level 42. I am not sure if I will have enough strength though. Is the formula up to date in the glbwiki?
haha. i have a PF to test all the bars and there are only like 5 guys in there. IF you or anyone would like a invite to discuss the different bars and what not just send me a PM and i will invite you
I hope to have mine no later than level 42. I am not sure if I will have enough strength though. Is the formula up to date in the glbwiki?
haha. i have a PF to test all the bars and there are only like 5 guys in there. IF you or anyone would like a invite to discuss the different bars and what not just send me a PM and i will invite you
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Originally posted by immagonnawin
In terms of stamina, I got it to 50 at level 49 or something.
It was at 41.06, I had 8 SP, nothing else would have capped with 8 SP.
trained it over to 50...
I haven't gone below 85 energy in one game since, playing much better late in games.
If you would have put those 8 SP's into vision, it probably would have given you your gold bar.
In terms of stamina, I got it to 50 at level 49 or something.
It was at 41.06, I had 8 SP, nothing else would have capped with 8 SP.
trained it over to 50...
I haven't gone below 85 energy in one game since, playing much better late in games.
If you would have put those 8 SP's into vision, it probably would have given you your gold bar.
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Originally posted by TheSandman
Originally posted by immagonnawin
In terms of stamina, I got it to 50 at level 49 or something.
It was at 41.06, I had 8 SP, nothing else would have capped with 8 SP.
trained it over to 50...
I haven't gone below 85 energy in one game since, playing much better late in games.
If you would have put those 8 SP's into vision, it probably would have given you your gold bar.
Originally posted by immagonnawin
In terms of stamina, I got it to 50 at level 49 or something.
It was at 41.06, I had 8 SP, nothing else would have capped with 8 SP.
trained it over to 50...
I haven't gone below 85 energy in one game since, playing much better late in games.
If you would have put those 8 SP's into vision, it probably would have given you your gold bar.
immagonnawin
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I trained over confidence (+1) and it gave me a gold bar, so obviously putting 8 SP into vision would have done it as well.
And I still don't care.
I'd put my center's build up against any of yours and he'd probably win 999/1000 times.
Having a gold bar means nothing (other than the fact that you didn't completely screw up the build).
And I still don't care.
I'd put my center's build up against any of yours and he'd probably win 999/1000 times.
Having a gold bar means nothing (other than the fact that you didn't completely screw up the build).
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What would be the ideal build plan for a gold bar though? without putting the build FUBAR.
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The ideal build plan would put off Speed and Stamina until after the gold bar is attained because they factor in very little to the formula.
STR to 77 or 80 right off the bat is a must for any center. For the sake of the gold bar, I'd say 77. 74 would be quicker for a gold bar probably, but there's no excuse for any center to not to strength to 77 right away.
Then BLK to 68 is a must. 74 I suppose is an option but I don't think it is necessary. Your build still finishes with around 94.5 BLK which is plenty.
Agility to 68 (although I'd bring it to 74 or 77)
Vision to 48+
Confidence to 48+
Don't touch stam or speed
STR to 77 or 80 right off the bat is a must for any center. For the sake of the gold bar, I'd say 77. 74 would be quicker for a gold bar probably, but there's no excuse for any center to not to strength to 77 right away.
Then BLK to 68 is a must. 74 I suppose is an option but I don't think it is necessary. Your build still finishes with around 94.5 BLK which is plenty.
Agility to 68 (although I'd bring it to 74 or 77)
Vision to 48+
Confidence to 48+
Don't touch stam or speed
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