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Good game Baton Rouge, you guys have an incredible team. We couldn't stop your passing game at all. I'm not going to jump into the debate about the SI Slam being an exploit or not, but I'm glad you understand it was really our only option. We passed heavily all season because we can based on our QB/WRs, but our powerback is dominant and we easily could have run the ball all season instead. We went with the pass in the playoffs specifically to confuse you. It almost worked.

Originally posted by lbrlove
Originally posted by PierreThomas

Check out this game to see what I am talking about.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=453839

88 runs, the same exact play, one of the best teams in the game stacked against it to try and stop it and they out of 88 runs they got 0 tackles for losses.

I do not consider that necessary valid. I have not had time to go through the entire game, but I only see one defense being used to stop it, an unshifted 4-3-4 cover-1. It is impressive they got 4.1 per play, sure, but the other team ran for 9.4 per play. What were they doing the whole time? BTW, the Chocolate City team has 28 broken tackles. Could it be that San Francisco just sucks at tackling relatively speaking? In my book 28 mistackles=loss.

I agree it is ridiculous that somebody would run any play 88 times, but out of curiosity, why is the San Francisco team not doing it? I guess because they can get 9.4 yds/carry with a diverse attack. Moreover, I see no TFLs on either side, so I am guessing rushing is just too good league-wide.

28 missed tackles on 88 carries is actually kind of low. CCCC is my team. For that game I set crazy tactics just trying to get 1 stop or 1 turnover because that is all we needed to win running that offense.

If you want to see it against against a defense really loading up check out our recent scrimmage against the Gamblers. We spoke before and we used this game to test some stuff. He asked me to run nothing but strong i slam in the third quarter and then they ran all kinds of stuff trying to stop it The result? A long time consuming drive that resulted in a TD on the first drive and then on the second drive we were in the middle of another long time consuming drive that would have gone for a TD but during the drive it went to the 4th quarter and went away from the strong i slam.

Originally posted by PierreThomas
28 missed tackles on 88 carries is actually kind of low. CCCC is my team. For that game I set crazy tactics just trying to get 1 stop or 1 turnover because that is all we needed to win running that offense.

If you want to see it against against a defense really loading up check out our recent scrimmage against the Gamblers. We spoke before and we used this game to test some stuff. He asked me to run nothing but strong i slam in the third quarter and then they ran all kinds of stuff trying to stop it The result? A long time consuming drive that resulted in a TD on the first drive and then on the second drive we were in the middle of another long time consuming drive that would have gone for a TD but during the drive it went to the 4th quarter and went away from the strong i slam.

I will give it a look.

I suppose I have a different take on what is wrong in GLB with regard to rushing. To me, the success of the Strong I Slam is a symptom, not the cause. Bort will nerf that play rather than treat the real cause, I presume. JMO, but I think the cause is the ridiculous effectiveness of powerbacks in GLB.

The number of actual pro level powerbacks that have historically been successful is much lower than more balanced backs. I remember when the Kansas City Chiefs were touting Christian Okoye as the "it" back, but did the guy ever have a season getting more than 3.9 per carry? As a Redskins fan, I loved watching John Riggins, but in his best years he barely beat 3.6. Heck, would Brandon Jacobs be that great without an O-line that could get my 92 year-old grandmother 4 a pop? I think not.

Compare that to more diverse backs like Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, Marshall Faulk, LaDainian Tomlinson - guys with some power and speed in a smaller size. Those guys perennially broke the 4 yard mark, by a mile in their better seasons.

Bort and company just have a fascination with huge concrete-legged hulks of a sort that do not do well in real-world professional football (or college for that matter) due to their relative lack of speed and agility.

Originally posted by lbrlove
Originally posted by PierreThomas

28 missed tackles on 88 carries is actually kind of low. CCCC is my team. For that game I set crazy tactics just trying to get 1 stop or 1 turnover because that is all we needed to win running that offense.

If you want to see it against against a defense really loading up check out our recent scrimmage against the Gamblers. We spoke before and we used this game to test some stuff. He asked me to run nothing but strong i slam in the third quarter and then they ran all kinds of stuff trying to stop it The result? A long time consuming drive that resulted in a TD on the first drive and then on the second drive we were in the middle of another long time consuming drive that would have gone for a TD but during the drive it went to the 4th quarter and went away from the strong i slam.

I will give it a look.

I suppose I have a different take on what is wrong in GLB with regard to rushing. To me, the success of the Strong I Slam is a symptom, not the cause. Bort will nerf that play rather than treat the real cause, I presume. JMO, but I think the cause is the ridiculous effectiveness of powerbacks in GLB.

The number of actual pro level powerbacks that have historically been successful is much lower than more balanced backs. I remember when the Kansas City Chiefs were touting Christian Okoye as the "it" back, but did the guy ever have a season getting more than 3.9 per carry? As a Redskins fan, I loved watching John Riggins, but in his best years he barely beat 3.6. Heck, would Brandon Jacobs be that great without an O-line that could get my 92 year-old grandmother 4 a pop? I think not.

Compare that to more diverse backs like Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, Marshall Faulk, LaDainian Tomlinson - guys with some power and speed in a smaller size. Those guys perennially broke the 4 yard mark, by a mile in their better seasons.

Bort and company just have a fascination with huge concrete-legged hulks of a sort that do not do well in real-world professional football (or college for that matter) due to their relative lack of speed and agility.



That is what i mean when i say broken! he takes DE and DT and nerfs there ability combined with improved blocking by the linemen! On that slam the offense lin almost always gets the push forward and any HB with any speed gets to the line for positive gain, and in this case Mighty has a superb built back who can always get 3.5+ on every play! Not fussing are arguing did you watch our replay?

Originally posted by cigtyme
That is what i mean when i say broken! he takes DE and DT and nerfs there ability combined with improved blocking by the linemen! On that slam the offense lin almost always gets the push forward and any HB with any speed gets to the line for positive gain, and in this case Mighty has a superb built back who can always get 3.5+ on every play! Not fussing are arguing did you watch our replay?

LOL, I absolutely agree that powerbacks are ridiculous. But I think they are ridiculous running out of Single Back or normal I as well. A play like Strong I Slam just accentuates their ability, but it really should. That is a play that real-world is designed for a power back. You guys with the more powerful teams notice that aspect because that is the only way an inferior team can get yardage against you.

Unfortunately, I do not see this real problem being fixed. I suspect powerbacks will continue to be the flavor of the month, and rushing overall will be nerfed. That will relatively tilt the league toward more passing, and thus larger blowouts on the scoreboard. I guess some people will find that jolly entertaining, but it will be a worse simulation of football overall. I concede there are a few teams to the contrary, but most real-world teams want a sound running game first.

Part of the prob is the LBer position most LBers high Speed agility, but Lbers have to support the pass tackle the RB/FB cover the TE and do so many things with a build it is hard to make a jack of all trades LBers to do everything they need to do while rec TE speed and catching and a RB Speed agi and carrying while the LBer needs about 6 att to be higher~

Originally posted by cigtyme
Part of the prob is the LBer position most LBers high Speed agility, but Lbers have to support the pass tackle the RB/FB cover the TE and do so many things with a build it is hard to make a jack of all trades LBers to do everything they need to do while rec TE speed and catching and a RB Speed agi and carrying while the LBer needs about 6 att to be higher~

Maybe some of that will be answered with the D Custom Slots coming in. The play editor might allow for some novel solutions as well. I personally would not mind seeing the classic NFL MLB become a force in GLB (which they are currently not for the reasons you named).

Originally posted by lbrlove
Originally posted by cigtyme

Part of the prob is the LBer position most LBers high Speed agility, but Lbers have to support the pass tackle the RB/FB cover the TE and do so many things with a build it is hard to make a jack of all trades LBers to do everything they need to do while rec TE speed and catching and a RB Speed agi and carrying while the LBer needs about 6 att to be higher~

Maybe some of that will be answered with the D Custom Slots coming in. The play editor might allow for some novel solutions as well. I personally would not mind seeing the classic NFL MLB become a force in GLB (which they are currently not for the reasons you named).

Classic NFL MLBs aren't even a force in the NFL anymore. Look at guys like Willis, Urlacher and Vilma. People want to make LBs into guys like Dick Butkus but Dick Butkus wouldn't make a team at MLB and probably wouldn't even get a chance to play. LBs main attribute in the NFL is speed, a LB that runs a 4.9 40 doesn't get drafted but on GLB it isn't even a minor attribute. Some LBs can run with WRs. I've seen Willis run down a WR without an angle like it was nothing when the WR had a 10 yard head start. I also don't see a power back treat him like a bitch ever. A TE going out for a pass is usually a slower player than Willis and he can lay the wood too. When he comes flying at the RB in the hole you don't ever see a RB fall foward 4 yards let alone warp right through him.

I know every LB can't be like Patrick Willis but there aren't any on GLB that can do it all and that is a problem but not even the main problem.

When DTs and DEs were borted it messed up the entire balance of offense/defense. When Lesbians started getting more penetration than defensive lines the sim was ruined.

Originally posted by PierreThomas
Classic NFL MLBs aren't even a force in the NFL anymore. Look at guys like Willis, Urlacher and Vilma. People want to make LBs into guys like Dick Butkus but Dick Butkus wouldn't make a team at MLB and probably wouldn't even get a chance to play.

You occasionally see flashes of the MLB build. Jeremiah Trotter fit the role somewhat, but was a one-trick pony in it: run toward the LOS, meet the RB, if no RB, meet the QB. But I always thought his style was a little too obtuse to stand up to good offensive strategy.


Originally posted by PierreThomas
LBs main attribute in the NFL is speed, a LB that runs a 4.9 40 doesn't get drafted but on GLB it isn't even a minor attribute.

Better said, speed is the attribute in the NFL. It is an arms race. Everybody must have speed. Thus, it is just a distinction of degree since it is such a prerequisite. Getting guys who "play faster"? More vision probably since every MF out there runs a like a gazelle.

Originally posted by Pierre Thomas
Some LBs can run with WRs. I've seen Willis run down a WR without an angle like it was nothing when the WR had a 10 yard head start. I also don't see a power back treat him like a bitch ever. A TE going out for a pass is usually a slower player than Willis and he can lay the wood too. When he comes flying at the RB in the hole you don't ever see a RB fall foward 4 yards let alone warp right through him.

I know every LB can't be like Patrick Willis but there aren't any on GLB that can do it all and that is a problem but not even the main problem.

That's just it though, the place where the game really has to depart from nature and the real world. The game features an economic system. Scarcities exist. In real life, the scarcity might be that Linebacker X missed every question and spelled his name wrong on the Wonderlic. Nevermind that though; the guy runs a 4-3 in full pads, weighs more than the car he drives, hits like he has cinder blocks in his pockets, and has the aggression of a Bengal tiger.

Originally posted by PierreThomas
When DTs and DEs were borted it messed up the entire balance of offense/defense. When Lesbians started getting more penetration than defensive lines the sim was ruined.

Just one of many bortings, and certainly not the last one. Heck, we are about to enter an era of aerial theatrics unequaled by the Red Baron. Think about it. With rushing about to be borted, passing based on timing patterns, and zone defense more broken than the U.S. financial system? I believe you are going to start to see the PD go the way of the sack in GLB, which is to say downhill in a hurry. Maybe I have this wrong, but as I read the recent sim changes, I cannot see how we will not see a large marginal increase in (highly successful) passing.