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Originally posted by raidersrock
Originally posted by Victory Jones

Originally posted by raidersrock




Victory come on dude, watch your first round game, you have no more room to talk about a boring offense.
not sure what you mean rr...

we didnt run the same play 70 times?

we threw almost 40 times.

whats boring about that?

we can convert every play to strong Islam.

we have enough HBs to keep everyone fresh as a summer's day, a koran and a pile of C4 explosives.



Originally posted by raidersrock



Punish? We actually outgained you, but let up a big KR for TD and made simple mistakes in the secondary that cost us the game. If thats punishment then id watch out in the next 2 rounds for someone who can finish the job.

the punishment isnt for you rr, QWE played a great game... they are a great team... its the rest of the teams we face.

if we have to we are fully prepared to run the same play 70 times.

it'll be boring, but if thats what we have to do, we will.


its what Bort hath wrought.

Islam is the name of the game right now.

we are more than willing to play the game.

Just saying your team has also ran that offense before.

You beat us by like 40 points when we tired a honest offense. Thats all im saying, we had no choice.

I understand... you do what you felt gave you the best chance to win (personally Im surprised there wasnt more Bostic)

but for the record...

we havent run Islam 70 times in a game....

we average 40 some passes a game....

often playing with the lead and we are in run the clock out mode...

so Im not really sure what you mean when you say weve run that offense before.

Im just saying, the gloves are now off for the next game(s)...

GG Oklahoma!

GG Oilers

Good game Toronto, go kick some ass in the title game!

GG LEI.

Can I make a suggestion - (I know you don't need it) If you really want to "take the gloves off" stick with your balanced attack. When you run the ball so much against a team you so clearly outlevel (7 1/2 levels). You play into their hands. Those types of teams (HNR) really want to slow the game down. Not always a good Idea to rely on the other team to make mistakes.

You could have passed at will against us. (Unsolicited advice sucks) Oh well.

Good Luck in the Championship game. Hopefully we will get promoted and see you next season.

Originally posted by Tater15
GG LEI.

Can I make a suggestion - (I know you don't need it) If you really want to "take the gloves off" stick with your balanced attack. When you run the ball so much against a team you so clearly outlevel (7 1/2 levels). You play into their hands. Those types of teams (HNR) really want to slow the game down. Not always a good Idea to rely on the other team to make mistakes.

You could have passed at will against us. (Unsolicited advice sucks) Oh well.

Good Luck in the Championship game. Hopefully we will get promoted and see you next season.

true.

youve got a helluva team...

gg tater.


and your right, unsolicited advice does suck


gloves = off

what good does passing all day do when your opponent is just going to get 2.5-5 yards every single play without fail?

what good does scoring quickly do when your opponent is just going to drive down the field and counter every score you make?

Inside Slam strategy is very low risk because it produces ridiculously long drives with extremely few turnovers or even punts

passing the ball routinely in that scenario only means youre increasing your percentage of failure. why risk missing out on your virtually guaranteed to score 20 play drive?

i dont like it but the sim is currently broken as bad as it ever has been and you do what you gotta do to increase your chances of winning

Don't necessarily disagree with you Meathead, however, I do have a question. What is the exploit? - Is it the Strong I slam or is it just running the ball up the middle alot.

I ask this because, all I ever see in the main forum is this discussion about the Strong I slam. We rarely, if ever, run that play. Granted we only ran 4 plays against you in the last game. (two formations - Standard I and shotgun) They were four plays we thought would work pretty well. (I love that 4th and long play - worked almost every time).

If you throw out the last six minutes (after the turnovers), We had 63 offensive plays - 12 Rushes by FBs, 4 passes to HBs and 47 HB runs between the tackles. (We would have run outside had you not had those 50+ LBs out there).

After watching the game - Had we run inside 100% of the time. We would not have scored any points. So I am not really buying into the theory that higher level teams can't stop the slam against teams they outlevel. Looks like a gameplanning issue and you guys planned well to stop it. I think this is a much bigger issue for teams that have equal levels. But, I have been wrong before.


So I ask the question to the group. Knowing we would all do what it takes to win. Is the exploit the running game or is it the one play Strong I Slam? Because even had Bort eliminated the Strong I Slam before the playoffs our gameplan would not have changed. Just curious.


Good Luck in the Championship. Make the East proud

Basically its up the middle runs but Strong I slams are the most effective.

the problem is that right now its extremely difficult to stop inside runs and especially SISlam for anything less than 2.5 ypc

even in scrimmages where we (and other teams) committed everything we had 100% to stopping those exact plays they still produced a bare minimum of 2.5 yards per rush 95+% of the time, and hardly NEVER produce a TFL

so it doesnt take a math genius to figure out that if you run those plays every down you have a great chance to slowly march down the field every drive. even if your opponent scores on one long bomb every drive you just calmly take the kickoff and start down the field 3 yards at a time to tie it up. at the end of the game you have 95 plays they have 12 and its tied 21-21

utterly ridiculous

this game desperately needs two major fixes immediately
- the ability for NTs with 5000 Strength to get a TFL on a running play more than once a season
- an escalating repeated play penalty

right now its a joke. we knew exactly what plays you would run and exactly when you would run them beforehand, we set everything up to stop exactly those plays, and you still managed to stay tied until very late when we produced two turnovers to seal the win

thats just unacceptable. with all due respect, we should normally be a 20-pt favorite in games between our teams. and yet in reality you were two and perhaps even just one play away from victory by using essentially just three plays. that just shouldnt happen, it turns the game into a joke, and if left unfixed would completely destroy the game in less than a single season as everybody including myself threw up our hands and said fuck it

of course they will fix it, and i hate people that complain non-stop about the game, but im just very frustrated that Bort has let it get this far. he seems to have this pathological resistance to repeated play decay as if hes a mad scientist completely fixated on creating the perfect sim engine that can overcome any imbalance within its perfect logic alone - and of course thats a pipe dream that will never happen

and i love how some people say 'well a superstrong containment DE will blow that play up'. oh, you mean the kind of DE that has been COMPLETELY USELESS FOR TWO SEASONS?!? so we were supposed to stash a superstrong DE on our rosters for two seasons, sucking up money and playing time, producing absolutely nothing on the field, just IN CASE they were ever useful??? the game forced us to build a sea of Speed DEs because they were the only thing that worked, and now we are supposed to conjur up these superstrong DEs out of our asses

and of course the pouring of VP into any stat you want on an NT and to have them still NEVER tackle anybody behind the line

well i better stop now cuz im getting kinda pissed, and its stupid to get mad over a game

but i sure hope that Bort listens to me and others and finally implements some braking system for runaway exploits using the same play 80 times a game. after youve run the same play 18 of the last 20 plays then just penalize your team 1 attribute pt across the board every additional time they run it. problem solved

LEI is set up to dominate with a diversified attack, and thats the way this game should be. otherwise you end up with, well this, the Season 9 StrongI Slam you comatose season

awful

Originally posted by meathead013
this game desperately needs two major fixes immediately
- the ability for NTs with 5000 Strength to get a TFL on a running play more than once a season
- an escalating repeated play penalty
Agree with you 10000% on both.

On my USA Pro team, we played the best powerback in the game, Larry Csonka, twice. One of our NTs had 9 missed tackles in those game....NINE. Now, right away, people will say "oh he just needs more strength", but I assure you, that is far from the problem. Including VAs, he's got more strength than anyone I've ever seen in this game (well over 120). The only way an insanely strong 337# NT misses that many games is if the HB is driving a U-Haul truck.

For the second point, it's been brought up many times about doing an "adaptive intelligence" for the defense AND offense. By doing this, you penalize teams that run the same running play or passing play over and over, but also penalize the defense that just spams the same glitched blitz all the time. The latter gets ignored because the offense is so screwed up, but I assure you it's a problem. Bort said in his thread in the main forum that it wouldn't matter if the offense had a vision penalty applied since it wouldn't solve the problem. My solution was an exponential vision AND confidence penalty to the offense and a vision/confidence bonus to the defense. By making it an exponential penalty, you dramatically increase it's effectiveness and the penalty/bonus will double it's power.

I hope he gets things pointed in the right direction next season. I'm glad he's working on fixing the problems, but another season like this one and he's gonna lose a ton of business.

sure i think there could be a repeated play penalty for the defense too but it would likely have to be on a smaller scale than offense

- the d calls are predicated by the o and thus have only indirect control on how many times a particular defensive play is called

- the d has fewer significant options on play calling and more general formations that react to the o, so naturally they will repeat play calls more often

it will be interesting to see how Bort responds cuz i see this as his biggest problem to date

gg guys!