My history is not revisionist, but well documented. Thomas Jefferson was indeed in favor of a capitalist economic system, what I've pointed out is that there was no consensus among the people at the time of the Constitution and to argue otherwise is folly. Just because it's the inconvenient part of history you don't want to acknowledge happened doesn't make it any less a part of history. So I urge you to accept the inconvenience of History and reframe your arguments to a more truthful resonance, greater understanding leads to greater ideals.
The point I'm trying to make to you is, if you really want to be deprived of liberty - try living or visiting somewhere else and my suspicion is that you'll find the depervation of freedom that was really at the center of the struggle.
I've been to Christian Church in Kuwait , and it's underground, worshiped in the basement of home. The mere gathering of people there is considered a crime.
Your writing against the current administration would be a crime in many countries.
Your advocating with others that the current policy is wrong would be a "BIG" crime, in many places all over the world.
The beginning of liberty is that a man's thoughts, ideas, and spirituality are unfettered by the state. Commit any of the 3 "crimes" I've listed above and not only will your freedom be curtailed but your property as well. Without those first three guarantee's everything else is irrelevant.
As for the blood of patriots I believe. and forgive my arrogance, that having just finished my third combat tour in Iraq, that I'm somewhat more familiar with what that quote truly entails than you are.
If you want to talk about nationalizing banks you should remember that this country began with a nationalized bank until Andrew Jackson dissolved it. It was a good decision, IMO, but simply wrapping yourself in the words of Thomas Jefferson doesn't make the point of defaming the country he helped found any more palatable to me. Thomas Jefferson also wrote of the evil of having a standing Army, and while I like and admire Jefferson very much some thing changes, clearly a standing Army is a requirement in this day and age, and the federal governments need to support and regulate it is clearly a governmental necessity.
If you had no standing Army you would have lower taxes(less of a burden on the Producers), but and since you enjoy those who advocate for property rights I'll give you a quote from one of them "man has only those rights which he can defend" - John Locke. Without a standing Army in this modern world the United States would not be in the position it is now, nor could it defend liberty and property rights anywhere in the world.
I won't suggest as I'll absolutely say THere is never a time for a state to dissolve itself from the Union! So long as the nation continues to have election results that are honored, doing so would violate our most well gaurded principles and dishonor the enormous sacrafice of 230 years of sacrifice of blood, toil, sweat, and tears by many men greater and smaller than ourselves.
The reason that quitting the union is tantamount to insanity is pretty simple....this is still the land of unfettered hope and freedom.
Since you advocate for property rights above all others I'll give you some examples of just what rich freedom and history you would be willing to defile with action and slander with indigenous words.
At current time here in 2009 a legal immigrant of the United States is 7 times more likely to become a millionaire than a native citizen.....government handouts? Hardly , its our history a special place and niche in the fabric of a new history. No nation has so favored hopes and dreams as ours.
A country whose constitution once quantified a black man as being worth 3/5ths of a white man elected a black man to the highest office in the land, a country that hung signs on its shops that said no Irish need apply watched as the built the roads that run from New York to Washington, a country where The Anti-Chinese alliance once ruled her west coast watched as men
from China, Japan, and all over Asia pounded down the rails from California to Philadelphia, where the "wops" and "guineas" of New York erected Cathedrals and laid the way for Parks all the way to Chicago, where the sons of Abraham fleeing a monster not only stayed to found Banks , but invited a device to end a war in favor of their new home. Millions of millions of immigrants and sons of immigrants who have stayed to build a "more perfect union" have built our roads, fought our wars, laid the fabric of commerce. With each new wave the fabric has gotten stronger, the union more perfect, it was not born into perfection of form, but perfection of the struggle.
The struggle to claim the American dream, that from no matter what circumstances born the ability to pursue that dream while keeping your identity has forged the strongest nation on earth, not from our similarities but from our differences. You value the pursuit of property...so do I, but without the guarantee of liberty it's meaningless. The definition of that liberty and our pursuit of the dream have evolved over time but always the struggle for that more perfect union remains at its heart.
You think it's ok to quit because you don't like the current political trends, I think you dishonor the sacrifice of millions of ancestors from all creeds and colors, I think you've forgotten that at it's heart its the struggle that free's men both to struggle towards their own dreams and for the Union. Break that sacred covenant and your forfeit the country thats still the Greatest Nation on Earth, not just because of where it is or where it was founded; but because of what it struggles to become.
