Warrior General Games

Originally posted by RAPB
Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks

My center will have more strength and block than that at level 30. :-\
Largely due to the fact that I intense trained them.
And that I slow build the proper way.

...

Again: super slow building is to dominate players of same level, but not players of same creation date. It's screwing over players by bragging about the greatest lv. 25 ever - exept this level 25 is in his 10th season and never played any game before. He'll do great then for a season or two and retire.

Have fun!

Reading helps. Have fun dominating younger players!

Some of us find ways to battle guys of your own age; they just know how to build. Others are college students sneaking in elementary school to beat up kids. Each to his own...

b.t.w.: how do you call guys beating up younger and weaker guys to feel better? I just don't remember the term, but there's a name for it. Pussy doesn't hit it, or does it?

Originally posted by RAPB
So let's break this down so I can understand that:

Midway season 8 my C will reach lv. 25 - and have 88 strength, 79 blocking.

1.) How does the super-super-slowbuild freak get to 88 strength, 79 blocking (natural) midway this season?

2.) If the super-super-slowbuild is supposed to make up later on: Do you think he can make up the level difference from current lv. 7 to the comparable lv. 22?

- from lv. 7 to 29 it's 2 seasons - if it takes long... (only during this period the super-super-slowbuild get's more XP - but not much after lv. 23)
- in the same time, the lv. 22 gets to lv. 33 (at least)
- how does the super-super-slowbuild make up the at least 4 levels (20 Skill Points to spend, 9 by automatic level gains) - not to mention the veteran points?

Really waiting for your answers!



maybe my math is off, but I don't understand how you could get to 88 str/79 blocking naturally from your current position of 74/50. (maybe you have some sp saved up that I don't know about?)

ok, let's assume that my math is off, and that you do make it to 88/79 by level 25, 2.5 seasons into your career. You have spent every sp through level 25 in str/blk.

by contrast, my level 24 C (he sat out a season, so it actually took him 3 full seasons to make it to level 24 so I'm definitely a few levels behind), is only at 77/77 natural, but he stopped spending on str/blk at lvl 14. So my lvl 24 C isn't a super duper monster, but he holds his own and I'm willing to bet that he has kept up well with others created at the same time. When he gets his training to where he wants it and spends his (large) stash of SP, he will be better than most created at the same time.

even though I sat out a full season, I fully intend to compete and do better than other players created at the same time as me.

Originally posted by RAPB
b.t.w.: how do you call guys beating up younger and weaker guys to feel better? I just don't remember the term, but there's a name for it. Pussy doesn't hit it, or does it?

So, it's ok for your teams to start its regular guys and beat the hell out of crappy players to pad their stats, and it's ok for your QB's to throw for TD's late in the blowout games to pad their stats and beat up on weaker opposition, but it's not ok for other people to slowbuild their guys, and beat up on players because that would be wrong?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=247148
Nice game. 245-0. The QB is throwing for 13 TD. The 2 regular RB's padded their stats and got 16 TD's, and the #3 RB got 2 rushes while the FB got 3 rushes.

I'm sure we will find more of the same in these games.
11/16/2008 Rockhampton Sharks W 101-0
11/20/2008 Samoan Savages W 245-0
11/28/2008 Odessa Agent Orange W 168-0
11/30/2008 Carcharodon Megalodon W 100-0
12/02/2008 Bay City Bandits W 141-0

I think there are a few word for that. Hypocrite is the first one that comes to mind. Pussy is another. I guess we know that beating up on younger and weaker opponents definitely makes you feel better.

Originally posted by Melancholy
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maybe my math is off, but I don't understand how you could get to 88 str/79 blocking naturally from your current position of 74/50. (maybe you have some sp saved up that I don't know about?)

STR: 74 (lv. 13)... 76 (@lv. 15) + 2 (10 SP) = 78 (lv. 15) + 6x 1.0 (lv. 16 - 21) + 4x 0.75 (lv. 22 - 25) = 87 + training up from the current 90% strength to 88

BLO: 50 (lv. 13) ... 54 (@lv. 17) + 6 (12 SP) = 60... 63 (@lv 20) + 5 (15 SP) = 68 ...70.5 (@23) + 3 (12 SP) = 73.5... 75 (@25) + 3 (15 SP) = 78 + training up from the current 91% blocking to 79

10 SP + 12 SP + 15 SP + 12 SP + 15 SP = 64 SP
1 SP (saved up) + 12 x 5 SP = 61 SP (so obviously I turn in 12 bonus tokens)

Originally posted by Melancholy
... You have spent every sp through level 25 in str/blk.

by contrast, my level 24 C (he sat out a season, so it actually took him 3 full seasons to make it to level 24 so I'm definitely a few levels behind), is only at 77/77 natural, but he stopped spending on str/blk at lvl 14. So my lvl 24 C isn't a super duper monster, but he holds his own and I'm willing to bet that he has kept up well with others created at the same time. When he gets his training to where he wants it and spends his (large) stash of SP, he will be better than most created at the same time.

Right. I can only train up agility and speed. In order to make it comparable, you'd need to assume I'd stopped adding to strength so I end up at 77 by lv. 25 (and add those points where you did). I'm not convinced that would put your guy in advantage - but it's hard to compare because of changing training gains.

Originally posted by Melancholy
even though I sat out a full season, I fully intend to compete and do better than other players created at the same time as me.

THAT'S the right spirit! I honor any approach to compete with guys of similar creation date - no matter what strategies are followed. But you wouldn't go around and tell people that your strategy is the shining light of GLB, would you? Well... some guys do so every season and praise their lv. 7 guy - whose only purpose is to beat up players created two seasons after him (while they admit the guy is unable to play vs. guys of same creation date!).

Anyone of bright mind knows that any way to build got it's weak spots and disadvantages - and that the differences are rather small when done right for the comparable build (10 - 15 SPs I'd estimate - for underperforming / sitting out 1 - 3 seasons). And time actually IS a relevant issue for a 10 season lifespan.


Originally posted by qubanti
Originally posted by RAPB

b.t.w.: how do you call guys beating up younger and weaker guys to feel better? I just don't remember the term, but there's a name for it. Pussy doesn't hit it, or does it?

So, it's ok for your teams to start its regular guys and beat the hell out of crappy players to pad their stats, and it's ok for your QB's to throw for TD's late in the blowout games to pad their stats and beat up on weaker opposition, but it's not ok for other people to slowbuild their guys, and beat up on players because that would be wrong?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=247148
Nice game. 245-0. The QB is throwing for 13 TD. The 2 regular RB's padded their stats and got 16 TD's, and the #3 RB got 2 rushes while the FB got 3 rushes.

I'm sure we will find more of the same in these games.
11/16/2008 Rockhampton Sharks W 101-0
11/20/2008 Samoan Savages W 245-0
11/28/2008 Odessa Agent Orange W 168-0
11/30/2008 Carcharodon Megalodon W 100-0
12/02/2008 Bay City Bandits W 141-0

I think there are a few word for that. Hypocrite is the first one that comes to mind. Pussy is another. I guess we know that beating up on younger and weaker opponents definitely makes you feel better.

1. Unfortunately, GLB just wouldn't let this team move up without winning the conference. That included playing any team in that conference - so there was little option to choose your opponent.

(If you figured out a way to move out of a conference for "beeing too good", just shoot me a PM.)

2. Those games were no fun at all.

3. We didn't try to trick the opponents. They showed up that weak for an unknown reason.

4. The team intentionally faced the tough teams in the conference too. Those were players of same (some even of earlier) creation date). THOSE games were fun and for THOSE games this team was build.

5. Don't change topic. What's the word for someone intentionally trying everything ONLY to face younger players in order to beat them up while avoiding the players he's supposed to face? Is it "hypocrite"?


... to make it more obvious:

Melancholy <= has fun in tough A leagues, aiming to compete in AA, AAA and Pro later on
RAPB <= has fun in AA and pro leagues already
Daddy Warbucks <= has fun in EE BBB, waiting for the perfect time to beat up BBB
qubanti <= has fun in Canada BBB, waiting for the perfect time to beat up BBB

One important thing is that if a super slow build player starts at the bottom, never gets greedy and quits their team for a higher league, then he'll never compete with a normal built player created on the same day. Comparing the two is irrelevant.

Telling a super slow build player they are "incorrect" for wasting levels is silly. The builder simply made a choice: To be a far better player for their league, but to have an 8 season career instead of 10. What's the big deal about that? This isn't real life, just retire your player and make another. I'd rather have 8 seasons of greatness than 10 seasons of mediocricy.

Additionally: The regular player who is 2 seasons ahead will actually be beating beat by super slow built players made 2 seasons ago. There's some food for thought! (until the slowbuild has to retire, and the normal player gets 2 extra seasons - I'd rather beat up on the opposition that whole time though!)

Saying that leveling slowly is a bad thing is soooo dumb for this game. If you wanted to be a higher level, you should have made the player last season! As long as you can max XP *after* joining a team and deciding to be competitive, you're doing the right thing for the team and your personal success. What you do before that simply determines how long your career will be.




Hopefully some of those points shed light on why super slowbuilders exist, and why it isn't a bad decision. The point isn't to compare a super slowbuilt player and a normal player both created season 7, day 1. It is to compare their careers, how they will perform, who they will perform against, etc. The two build types will have none of the above in common, and is a totally incorrect comparison to make between the players themselves.

Originally posted by Octowned
Comparing the two is irrelevant.

Some people get this, and some people are stupid.
Higher level=/=winner.

Originally posted by RAPB
b.t.w.: how do you call guys beating up younger and weaker guys to feel better? I just don't remember the term, but there's a name for it. Pussy doesn't hit it, or does it?

I'm sorry your profile page is filled with mediocrity.
How do you call guys that incessantly complain about other people's accomplishments or pursuits when they haven't achieved anything notable themselves? Little whining bitch hits it just fine.

Since you're so stuck on comparing this (though it's completely unrelated) to "real life", do you consider older players in the NFL to have some secret advantage they shouldn't be "tricking" their opponents with? You keep matching up college players to elementary school, idiotic - all players in this game are supposed to be well equipped for playing football regardless of level. Age=/=level obviously, or else the system would work differently. You bring up invalid points and then rely on them to create other invalid points. Next we're going to be talking about how taller players shouldn't play against shorter players because it's unfair. Age contributes little to nothing to your stats.

Furthermore, there is no ten season lifespan. Spreading this falsehood is one reason you should never be able to talk on the forums.

The really funny thing is that of all the teams you're involved with, only the A teams have accomplished anything, and I'm willing to bet it has nothing to do with you, considering the only Pro team you have anything to do with has six GMs and hasn't managed to pull in a conference title in all of its seasons. I mean, come on. You talk about how age means so much but your older players are completely mediocre. You've had two competitive seasons, the later ones. Yet the early part of your career is oh so valuable I really don't know what I've been missing out on.

You liken super slow building to being a bully. Honestly, I don't even know why I respond to you; you have the mind of a child.
Try again for a real response when you develop the ability to see things three-dimensionally.

Woo-hoo! Smerf-revolution!

Look who's talking! Is it Daddy "I-beat-up-BBB - someday - and then I'm proud of it"?

Yeah... give it to me, retard! Try your best little one.

But maybe I shouldn't be so harsh. Maybe you're some crippled guy wanting to be superior for ONCE - just to get this feeling. Maybe just a looser because of lacking intelligence, genes, heritage, education. Must be - for anyone that has EVER been competetive knows just what that means... taking on a equal - maybe even stronger opponent - and fighting to win. Then finally make it and be PROUD of it. Because YOU really achieved something.

I got some words for you. Look them up in the dictonary - if you can.

Sportsmanship.

Fairness.

Challenge.

The hard way.

(last one is tricky, for it's 3 words)

But I bet you choose the easy way, wimp. YOU need weak opponents - I'm taking on the Pros. YOU couldn't find a way to get an edge on any guy starting at the same point. YOU need to wait and hide - to pull up tough and beat up players starting out 2 or even 3 seasons after you.

Maybe once I retire one of my guys I might just sign one of them up in the lowest and weakest league I can (that's what you do, don't you?)- just to break one of the records you put up there (though I doubt you ever do anything special).

But then again... no. It's not right to take on the weak - for me.

I truly feel sorry for your existence. This crap is probably the only fun you get. And you even need to get it the cheap way...

Looks like I struck a nerve.
Using the dictionary against people... that's just brutal.

Maybe I'm just taking the obvious route to win in a game where the only goal/point is to win? Define underhandedness.
You act like I'm doing something nobody else has the ability to do. In all fairness, I could join a typical capped league and face all players like the ones I've made - it's entirely possible simply because everyone has equal opportunity. The very attachment of that concept to this game makes it impossible to lack sportsmanship unless I'm exploiting a bug, which I clearly am not.

What's more, the MAJORITY of decent players slow build at least the first season of their career. Are they slightly cheating/unsportsmanlike? I'm surprised nobody else has called you out on this stupidity in plain terms.

Once again, I'm sorry your Pro career (that one you only got because you joined the game earlier than everyone else, bravo) is stark full of complete and utter untalented mediocrity. You think you're the shit just because you started playing a game earlier than some others; and anyone who plays differently than you is a big, mean cheater. :'(

By the way, thanks for the amusing read, you child.

This topic got ridic, very fast.

Super slow build players WONT beat up on people their first season, they are still slowbuilding! The real fun happens in the 20s to 30s, when builds mature, and all of a sudden the smart builder has like 50 more SP value than their opponents.

/shrug

If people didn't go around calling others pussies for no apparent reason.

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
/shrug

If people didn't go around calling others pussies for no apparent reason.

You know, it's probably best that we leave the kid alone. As you said, when he resorted to name calling and the dreaded 'look them up in the dictionary' attack, you just know that he has no clue.

Besides, it sounds like having players in Eastern Europe Pro and a South America Pro League is the only success he has had in life. Yup, how can the rest of us live with ourselves knowing that we may never get our 0's and 1's into a Pro League?

Originally posted by RAPB
Originally posted by RAPB

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks


My center will have more strength and block than that at level 30. :-\
Largely due to the fact that I intense trained them.
And that I slow build the proper way.

...

Again: super slow building is to dominate players of same level, but not players of same creation date. It's screwing over players by bragging about the greatest lv. 25 ever - exept this level 25 is in his 10th season and never played any game before. He'll do great then for a season or two and retire.

Have fun!

Reading helps. Have fun dominating younger players!

Some of us find ways to battle guys of your own age; they just know how to build. Others are college students sneaking in elementary school to beat up kids. Each to his own...


lulz
ITP: Idiot