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Funny how there wasn't league-wide condemnation when Maribor ran strong I off-tackle against us all game last game. So strong I off-tackle over and over does not count as exploit, but the WR screen does?

Or is it the new team is just supposed to take getting run over by the same play again and again and be happy with losing by 30?

They wanted to use an exploit, fine. We didn't go on the forum and bitch about it, we just reciprocated.

Originally posted by Hcreek27
Funny how there wasn't league-wide condemnation when Maribor ran strong I off-tackle against us all game last game. So strong I off-tackle over and over does not count as exploit, but the WR screen does?

Or is it the new team is just supposed to take getting run over by the same play again and again and be happy with losing by 30?

They wanted to use an exploit, fine. We didn't go on the forum and bitch about it, we just reciprocated.



I defend the strong I OT just fine, what kind of problems have you had with it?

Originally posted by mwoods07
Come on guys...I know you are upset about the loss and I would be too...everyone hates losing! But you know what, the WR screen is NOT a bug and can be defended for a loss, as long as you put a play in there to do it. Look at the Strong I off tackle, for a while it was unstoppable, now it's second nature to put a defense in to stop it. Although I have nothing to do with our play calling, I have no problems with our team calling that play...especially since had you put the defense in for it, it would have been our detriment!!

Anyway, good luck to you guys too, you have a good team and hope you can respect a team that game planned around your awesome defense...you already proved we had to get creative to get a win..and when we do, you get upset. This game is all about out-thinking the opponent when it gets to this level and I think our OC did this time. Anyway, I hope you take something positive from the game and not be quite as bitter. Like I said, it's just a play, is easily stoppable and in my opinion, not an exploit other than not everyone has done their research to prepare for it.

To be fair, after my initial comment about losing to a team we were expecting to hump being 'gay' (which it is, but more because it was another late loss - our speciality), most of the posts on this thread have been from non-Maribor people. I dont know much about gameplan/AI/sim, as I have no part in that side of things.

Having said that, this game has become a bit 'scissors-stone-paper' at times, and you called the scissors to our paper.

We didnt give you guys enough respect, called 'same gameplan as before' (to concentrate on Whatsamatta) and didnt even boost for the game.

And that's honest.

It happens in the real NFL too, a team gets so psyched and amp'd up for future matchups that they take for granted the ones leading up. They caught you with a good sucker-punch, and it was big of you to recognize and admit it. Cypriot just did what any other team is trying to do at this time of year. Win games. And I can't blame them for that.

At least with the Bucks, we're looking forward to our meeting with WhatsaMatta U too, but these... uhhh... oh, what is their name again... Death Machine? This upcoming game against the Belarus folk should be a cakewalk on our treck to the Elk *laugh*.

Originally posted by Hcreek27
Funny how there wasn't league-wide condemnation when Maribor ran strong I off-tackle against us all game last game. So strong I off-tackle over and over does not count as exploit, but the WR screen does?

Or is it the new team is just supposed to take getting run over by the same play again and again and be happy with losing by 30?

They wanted to use an exploit, fine. We didn't go on the forum and bitch about it, we just reciprocated.



I'll say it once more and not again, the maribor offense runs that play around 30% of running plays. So stop trying to say we are expoliting anything.

tbh, we could put in an AI , for all quarters for downs 1-4 HB Outside run - handoff strong I , and then you would be correct .

I dont agree that choosing plays that are difficult to stop is in any way cheating, it is part of the game, If i found a passing play that was impossible to stop then i would use it a lot.

The WR screen is not impossible to stop, in fact at higher levels it is actually quite easily stopped, the CB needs speed and vision.

Well played Freedom, we made mistakes and you gameplanned to win the game, you deserve it.

But dont say we exploit the SI off tackle , it is just not true ( and at the risk of giving it away - the off tackle normally runs behind the TAckle or between the tackle and guard , now go back and look at our games)

Well I can say that I have never felt we were burned by a glitch in the matrix. We are aware of a couple of these so called glitch's that have been mentioned, but we really havent won or lost a game because of either of the plays in question. What that says to me is that A: They can be managed defensively and B: If someone wants to take advantage of an edge then that just makes sense. Teams do that all the time, if they know there is a weakness on a side or if a team is one dimensional it is their due diligence to take advantage of that weakness.

Shoot, I just wish Belarus, Maribor, The Fighting Elk and Co. had more weaknesses to try to exploit, but the bottom line is, they are just really well run teams with quality players. The teams that we have blistered we did so because we took advantage of a weakness.

By the way I have never said it, but Macedonia, Good Game. I was very nervous after getting smacked in the mouth last time. You guys had a great season and I know you will only get better.

Originally posted by Davidjon88
Can't compare week 2 and 3 to team now. Its also not surprising that we lost to the three best teams. Maribor shouldnt have been gameplanning a round ahead. Having tailbacks that rush 3700 yards doesn't speak to "realism" either

Well, you cannot look at this game as an "NFL" football game. This isn't even football. There are no "tiers", promotions or demotions of teams in pro ball... That part is more like soccer.... Unless you are a great team, you get promoted/demoted all the time.

It is a video game. There are exploits in every video game. Agree or not, the WR screen is an exploit. The Strong I is an exploit. Hell, watch out next season or the season after that.... ( once all the fast QB's are built ) QB Rollout will be the new exploit. Very much like Madden. You find a play that works and you wear it out until they stop you. They difference between Madden strategy and this game is you control every play in Madden... in this game you set up a plan and rely on the computer to pick the correct defense. Plus in Madden, zone defenses are not BROKEN. A zone D would work well against the WR screen, because the CB would not react as fast and would not get blocked by the other WR.

As for gaudy stats, 3700 yds is possible and happens more than you think in High school football. Plus you don't think Adrian Petersen could get 3000 yards in a season if half his games were against College/High School teams??? That is what slow build/CPU teams are the equivalent of. Dwight Freeney would have tons of sacks against that type of competition.

You play us next and if you beat us with throwing the WR screen 30 times.... so be it. It's a flawed game. I will have no respect for you as an OC, but I understand why you would use such tactics. If you want to be really cool, why don't you take the time and find the "next" exploit instead of Copying and Pasting ones that have been around for a while. No matter what you say, using the same play over and over again is not a gameplan........ It's an exploit.

In the end, the drive with the game winning TD didn't have that play. They used it a lot in the game, but that final drive included down the field passing except for this HB screen which is a pretty good play.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=282599&pbp_id=11709622

I saw a lot of FS run bys of the WR on the WR screen. Issue there too?

Originally posted by Atatakakunai
Originally posted by mwoods07

Come on guys...I know you are upset about the loss and I would be too...everyone hates losing! But you know what, the WR screen is NOT a bug and can be defended for a loss, as long as you put a play in there to do it. Look at the Strong I off tackle, for a while it was unstoppable, now it's second nature to put a defense in to stop it. Although I have nothing to do with our play calling, I have no problems with our team calling that play...especially since had you put the defense in for it, it would have been our detriment!!

Anyway, good luck to you guys too, you have a good team and hope you can respect a team that game planned around your awesome defense...you already proved we had to get creative to get a win..and when we do, you get upset. This game is all about out-thinking the opponent when it gets to this level and I think our OC did this time. Anyway, I hope you take something positive from the game and not be quite as bitter. Like I said, it's just a play, is easily stoppable and in my opinion, not an exploit other than not everyone has done their research to prepare for it.

okay.





if you defend the WR screen it requires you putting 3 men on that side of the field over there far left.

yes, that works, and it does create a loss situation on that play.

problem is to do it you have to run a 4-1, or a 3-2... a 3-1 is most effective.

NOW, what do all of those pformations have in common?

anyone?

anyone at all?

HB smash will utterly destroy every one of those for about 8-12 yards.



I'm not going to get into an argument with anyone, it's just pointless...I'm not even a coordinator for the team...but I just can't not put out my point. It isn't an exploit, it's a freaking video game...and with that you have positives and negatives. This game is more about game planning and good luck. Tell me ANY first person shooter game, where you don't notice people using "pick a weapon" forever until people figure out how to do better...then it's used like the rest of the weapons. Anwyay, the WR screen is TOUGH to defend...and I know because I have spent a lot of time studying it and game planning against it.

At the same time, yes the HB slam is tough to defend at the same time but not impossible! You just have to be creative there too, but again, that opens up another play...say a HB screen because you are committing so many guys to those 2 plays.

Anyway, you can go on forever with this argument. And I would bet you any amount of money, that if we ran that same game plan tomorrow against them, they would lay the smack down on us...why because it isn't a surprise at this point...however something else may be...and it's up to you as either a DC or OC to "trick" the other team into a win. If this game was all about nothing but player builds and luck, why even have tactics, they would be pointless...To me this game is a tactical blessing...have you never played a game where one team has the #1 running offense in the league and the opposition is just a bit better, therefore the running team passes 80-90% of the game? Yes it's a little different, but still is a tactical surprise. Who expected us to come out and throw the WR screen 40% of the plays? That's my point, not that the WR screen is an "exploit" as people like to say.

You say it's impossible to defend it...I disagree and would be happy to say, lets scrimmage Maribor in the off season, tell them we are going to throw the WR screen 40% and HB slam 40% with a nice 20% mix of whatever...Do you think we beat them? If the play is SO impossible to stop, your answer has to be YES, we would still win.

Anyway, I am done with the argument. Maribor, if you guys are offended by the play (which it doesn't seem you are, but maybe) I am sure our owner will happily apologize about it. If it was another team that has a problem with it, I was TS and get a life...and I hope we beat you with some other play that you won't expect so you can whine about it some more!!! As far as I am concerned our OC was a tactical genious...simply because it WAS totally unexpected and we ALL know we won't get away with running that play again....but it was still an awesome win by him in my eyes!

I was going to stay out of this one, but just because it is part of the game doesn't mean it isn't "cheap". Keep in mind cheap is a relative term- but let's say that you were playing some fighting game (mortal kombat) where a certain character could press down-b to use a move that couldn't be fought against. Yes, its part of the game, but cheap nonetheless.
That's all you can really say about it.

Is that that stupid sweep move?!?!? Damnit, I hated that! I got tripped to death every time!

Rot, you would be correct, IF the play was truly undefendable. Anyway, you can stop it, you can stop other plays at the same time, but you have to work at it...it won't just fall on your plate.

Oh and the foot sweep in MK, block it and counter...pretty simple. Agains, I just reference the Strong I...2 seasons ago DC's were like that's cheap...hell, I got spanked for 300+ yards against the play...today, it is second nature to defend it...Bort didn't change it, because you can still catch some DC's slipping and run it effectively.

Originally posted by mwoods07
Maribor, if you guys are offended by the play (which it doesn't seem you are, but maybe)

Not at all, its part of the game, it worked, well played and gameplanned.

I agree with all of your point above, and also with the fact that it can be stopped, just we didnt expect it and werent set up for it. So your plan was excellent.

LOL, if running that play 100% of the time meant that it would give you a 100% chance of victory then everyone would do it. There's a defense for that play so use it and STFU

Dude, Nice game... great planning on your part. Seriously!!! Have fun with BDM!!!