Warrior General Games

Originally posted by PackMan97
Well, my OT will have a lot more than 30 vis at L40. I think he'll miss out on AGI at the +4 by about 3 points. Had I known about slow building techniques when I started him, he'd be there with plenty of room to spare.

Mine (ROT) is about 2 games away from level 40. 66 str, 63 blk, 64.5 agi raw. 45 spd & 49 vis. Since I got agi up to 60 something a couple of levels ago I haven't touched any of those, I instead worked spd/vis/SAs. I agree that if I'd had a damn clue what I was doing when I started, those would all be up around 68.

I agree that blocking definitely affects how long you hold a block for, but to me with 70ish blocking, you'll hold your block for long enough IF your agility is high enough. When I had high blocking but mediocre agility, those agility DEs stuffed our run game by shedding blocks...since the agi increase, not so much.

In the end it shouldn't matter so much what order you do it in. Get str/agi/blk up to the initial soft cap asap, because imo you miss out on early low level bonuses by spending time taking skills up to 60 or beyond. Maybe you take the first 2 to 50, the last to 60, then come back and bring up the first two to 60, while training spd/sta up to 30 or so before switching to vis/cnf. By the time you get the majors to 60, you could start saving to cap vis, letting some of the level bonuses help out at the 3:1 cap a bit before finishing the majors off at 68. After you cap vision you can just about train spd/sta up to 50, because everything else is too high to train unless you want to train vis/cnf in order to get confidence up. But you shouldn't need to soft cap confidence or anything, at least I haven't felt the need.

so you guys agree? or have any improvements to offer?

Softcap Speed.

Imo if you want to be decent out of the gate at say lvl 13 for a new capped league I like this formula due to the training combos'
1. Train Str/Blk until you can 48 cap Str
2. Train Blk/Agi until you can 48 cap Blk
3. Train Agi/Spd until you can 48 cap Agi this should be reachable around lv 12-13 which is nicely rounded at the lvl I think .
4. Train Spd/Sta until Spd is 30ish using new points to go back and second cap Str .
5. Train Con/Sta until Sta is around 30 using new lvl points to 2nd cap Blk after Str is done
6. Train Vis/Con until both are around 30ish using newe points to second cap Agi
7. I have not gotten this far yet but can either push for 3rd caps on Str/blk/ or agi or first cap speed or vision .

Obviously if your goal is be effective at a later time that would change this .

Just my 2 cents

Good plan for early success. Semi-slow build really, it'll be better than a slowbuild probably until the mid to high 20s. Then be behind a considerable amount, IMO.

Originally posted by Octowned
Good plan for early success. Semi-slow build really, it'll be better than a slowbuild probably until the mid to high 20s. Then be behind a considerable amount, IMO.

So how would a true slowbuild be different than what zamtik proposed? Holding on to your SPs even longer? Aren't you missing out on making the most use out of the automatic level based increases then?

Originally posted by Capaneus
Originally posted by Octowned

Good plan for early success. Semi-slow build really, it'll be better than a slowbuild probably until the mid to high 20s. Then be behind a considerable amount, IMO.

So how would a true slowbuild be different than what zamtik proposed? Holding on to your SPs even longer? Aren't you missing out on making the most use out of the automatic level based increases then?

Train strength/blocking until you have enough points to cap strength.

Then train blocking/agility until you have taken strength to the 3rd cap and have enough to take blocking to the first cap.

Take blocking to the 3rd cap while training agility/speed.

When you can get agility to first cap, train speed/stamina until you get agility to the 3rd cap.

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