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The question, to me anyways, isnt that a guard has to have 40 agility or 40 speed, its when do they need it? To early in the build will get your guy beat up for a while, too late and you are falling behind the curve.

There is also the question, does your team want a pulling guard? If they have a good fullback, in this game, the pulling guard isnt needed as much since there arent very many pulling plays.


It also matters when tackles start dumping attribute points into agility. This would also make individuals change their Guards builds.

The META game of GLB cannot be over looked.

I'd work...
strength or blocking to 60
blocking or strength to 60
agility to 48...(possibly 60)
vision to 48
speed to 48
agility to 60 or 68, and then go from there...

This would take you to the low 30's level-wise, and would give you a good base set of attributes to work off of. You could then increase strength and blocking to 68, agility to 68, speed a little higher or start pumping SAs.

There are definitely other opinions though, but this is my slowbuild method right now. It's also not just a pulling guard. Every run play and every pass play benefits from a fast/agile guard.

The reason people got guards to 48 speed is because of the popularity of pitch plays in season 3.

The thing with these replays that show speed working well is that in other replays, if strength, blocking, agility or confidence fails it is not to obvious just from looking at the dots.

So, whilst a bit of speed is important for sure, I still feel people are putting too much importance on it due to the fact that it is the only attribute visibly obvious on the replays.

Maybe. There are obviously intangibles that you can't see what's going on because we're watching dots. But I think your argument is more theory, and can't be proved/disproved. I can show tangible replays where speed is successful, and unfortunately you can't show me where confidence fails/succeeds.

In my last replay, the center has no where near 48 speed, and there is a noticable, tangible difference between the two getting off the line. That is worthwhile every play regardless of pulling, passing or running.

Anyway, I don't think someone should ignore intangible attributes, but a speed investment can produce better results than getting your "Pancake" SA from 7 to 9.

IMO build a C. Strength to 3:1, blocking to 3:1, strength to 4:1, blocking to 4:1, agility to 4:1, speed to 2:1, vision to 2:1. Split equipment between strength and blocking. Then you can play him anywhere on the O-line.

If your team ever runs a pitch or anything where the guard pulls, you'd understand.

Originally posted by Riggs_Inator
If your team ever runs a pitch or anything where the guard pulls, you'd understand.

This is what I'm working my slowbuild team toward, and why I'm building my RG to have 60/60/60/60 str/blk/agi/spd. Equip/natural gains will make that more reasonable long run (90/80/65/60?), but I don't think 48 speed cuts it.

I think speed is a stat people are misunderstanding at the o-line. They say to cap it, which I think is in the dead-zone of being too much if all you want to do is block a speed rush, but too little if you want to lead block effectively. 48 doesn't mean much outside of spending value, I don't get why people toss it around like it's the holy grail of where something should be for PERFORMANCE.

Until you see your guard pancake a DT and then get down field to crush a safety, you will never appreciate speed on a gaurd. I have a guard who I built strictly for special teams return blocking. He has great speed to keep up with the return man. I used him a back up on the O-line and he has made more than one block against safeties and LBs and CBs to spring longer runs. I like speed on a G for the inside run game.

Originally posted by Jose Bagg
Until you see your guard pancake a DT and then get down field to crush a safety, you will never appreciate speed on a gaurd. I have a guard who I built strictly for special teams return blocking. He has great speed to keep up with the return man. I used him a back up on the O-line and he has made more than one block against safeties and LBs and CBs to spring longer runs. I like speed on a G for the inside run game.

So where did you take his vision to?

I personally think the speed a RG should have is relative to the speed of his HB. The HB on the team that my G has speed in the upper eighties. So I have speed at 48 and it is still not enough.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=222468&pbp_id=11317978

Originally posted by shuebru
I personally think the speed a RG should have is relative to the speed of his HB. The HB on the team that my G has speed in the upper eighties. So I have speed at 48 and it is still not enough.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=222468&pbp_id=11317978



Agreed. I think the RG needs significant speed if blocking for a speed based RB, roughly 2/3 IMO.