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My C was built early and I had no knowledge of slow building or early cap loading. I keep reading that he is obsolete because slow building is so much better, but I am not giving up sacks or getting steamrolled by NT's. I play against equal or better competition and get a decent push in the run game. I know there is always room for improvement, and am not bragging, just laying the groundwork for my question.

When does he become obsolete, or is that just hot air?

He becomes obsolete when he becomes a liability to any team.

If he is producing as you say he is, and you are happy, and the team is happy, then he is fine.

Not yet.

Possibly in 2-3 seasons, although I imagine the game will change so much by that time anyway slow-built centres might be not that great.

Originally posted by mandyross
Not yet.

Possibly in 2-3 seasons, although I imagine the game will change so much by that time anyway slow-built centres might be not that great.

Older slow built players will never be obsolete. Slow building might be, and some builds might be(speedy DEs, no vision HBs), but the players who were the result of it will always be good due to having extra points in their attributes.

Slow building isn't that big of a deal. Once I get to upgrade my equipment, my center is going to have over 100 strength, 70+ blocking, softcapped agility, 6 points in agility, and even a decent amount of speed/vision/confidence. You just got to know how to build your player. My guy is a season one guy, and he'd obviously be better if I knew some of the things I know now... but really, we're talking about the difference between 100 and 103 strength.

Slow building is a load of shit sometimes... It isn't that hard to build a good center, and you don't need to be a slow build one to be good.

Very high strenght is the key to centers, with blocking to the 3-1 cap... this way they don't get pancaked , speed and agility is alright but they get a heap of help from Guards that they don't need to be moving that much... hope that makes sense

The difference between a slow build and a normal distributed build can be fairly large, but I believe the difference will shrink at higher levels.

What I mean is sure, the slow build will net you a few SPs here and there, my Build Strat comparison shows that. And for players like centers and guards with small numbers of primary attributes it can net you up to 15 SPs in your first season alone, compared against a distributed build.

However, even if that slow built center managed to save more SPs than you, at level 40-50 the difference in attributes from 30 SPs is negligible because it only means that they're going to have a couple more levels at each attribute. Is 93 Str THAT much better than 90? Is 62 Vision THAT much better than 60? Sure they'll be better, but not to the point that it makes the distributed built players worthless.

Plus, slow build means nothing if you don't use your SPs properly. Often I think too many people get caught up in when to spend when it's really about how you spend.

My center is slow builded even though at the time i made him i didnt even know what was slow building lol i just though it would be good to soft cap the major att as fast i can and train the minor att and thats what i did lol i'm pretty sure out there have a lot of players who have done the same at season 1.

That time spent training Str/Blk at low levels when they still give decent gains is offset by the loss in Spd/Agi/Sta/Vis/Con you're not training at the time. At best, it's a couple points of difference and at worst it's a simple redistribution.

i.e. Slow building is a bunch of crock. As long as you softcap up your Str/Blk ASAP (at least through the 2:1 point) you're set. Even if you failed to do that, you're still okay as long as you have decent stats now. In short, what TheGreatPuma said.

A lv. 30 is a lv. 30. Any new players won't overtake you. They might be WAY better lv. 30s sometimes - but at this time you're a lv. 36 (and so on).

So just have fun with your guy if he's competetive right now.

Originally posted by RAPB
A lv. 30 is a lv. 30. Any new players won't overtake you. They might be WAY better lv. 30s sometimes - but at this time you're a lv. 36 (and so on).

So just have fun with your guy if he's competetive right now.

I agree, realistically, your guy might never get to start on a pro team. But is does seem that there will always be teams in need of your services.

Originally posted by Melancholy
Originally posted by RAPB

A lv. 30 is a lv. 30. Any new players won't overtake you. They might be WAY better lv. 30s sometimes - but at this time you're a lv. 36 (and so on).

So just have fun with your guy if he's competetive right now.

I agree, realistically, your guy might never get to start on a pro team. But is does seem that there will always be teams in need of your services.

Other way around: A "crappy" lv. 40 might always start infront of a perfect lv. 30 - just because the little difference of maybe only +4 blocking and +5 confidence will never go away. Can't make up level / can't even close the gap above lv. 29 - at the same time those 50 Skill Points a lv. 40 has spend in front of a lv. 30 are just something that makes a difference. A smaller than it would between "perfect" builds, but yet a difference.

Face it!

Originally posted by RAPB
Originally posted by Melancholy

Originally posted by RAPB


A lv. 30 is a lv. 30. Any new players won't overtake you. They might be WAY better lv. 30s sometimes - but at this time you're a lv. 36 (and so on).

So just have fun with your guy if he's competetive right now.

I agree, realistically, your guy might never get to start on a pro team. But is does seem that there will always be teams in need of your services.

Other way around: A "crappy" lv. 40 might always start infront of a perfect lv. 30 - just because the little difference of maybe only +4 blocking and +5 confidence will never go away. Can't make up level / can't even close the gap above lv. 29 - at the same time those 50 Skill Points a lv. 40 has spend in front of a lv. 30 are just something that makes a difference. A smaller than it would between "perfect" builds, but yet a difference.

Face it!

I disagree, that difference actually can go away. But more to the point, I think there are enough well built early guys to prevent "crappy" builds from starting at high levels. A "crappy" lvl 40 might always be better than a perfect lvl 30, but I bet you can find a perfect lvl 35 that is better than the lvl 40. So your "crappy" lvl 40 might not be able to find a starting job with a pro league. So what, go play backup there, or go find a starting job in AAA or AA. As the higher level player, there will always be room for you on some team, my point was just that it might not end up being in a pro league.