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"Sixty-six percent of debate watchers said Obama more clearly expressed his views, with 25 percent saying McCain was more clear about his views."

I really didn't need to see the last debate either. Obama's already swayed me.

Obama very clearly stated his views with the responses to last debate's question health care: right, privelege, or responsibility & his response to the plumber in OH who worries about taxes going up.

Health care = right.
Taxes = spreading the wealth around.

Government (led by Obama) is better equipped than you or I to know what we should do with our money and what we should do when we get sick.

The only way he could've more clearly stated his stance on the economy and taxes would be "From each according to his means, to each according to his needs." I know I've heard that somewhere before...

"Spread the wealth" could also mean make more opportunities for more people through encouragement of small businesses. A tax reduction under $200,000 would certainly help most 'Mom and Pop' operations and other such small businesses not to mention individual consumers. The economics of a dollar in an active capitalistic system is that it turns over 15 to 20 times (going from check in hand to bank, to grocery store to farmer to supplier and so forth and so on)--that spreads the wealth and creates opportunities for many people to profit from a single dollar. Lowering taxes puts the money in the system to do just that.

The Marxist philosophy statement is about the government literally taking the money out of your hand and redistributing it--the Obama statement is about tax reduction on the middle class--hardly in the same category. Change your prism and you see different meaning.

Originally posted by DerekEstep

Health care = right.

Government (led by Obama) is better equipped than you or I to know what we should do with our money and what we should do when we get sick.


Do you have health care? I'd be willing to bet you do. That's your right. You should have the ability to seek medical care. Therefore, nothing changes for you. You still pay the same premiums. You still have the same coverage. Absolutely nothing is different.

However, what about those who don't? I have health care through my employer, but at one time I did not because I was not eligible at the time. At that time did I not have a right to have health care because I was 3 months away from the necessary time on the job? No. I did have the right, but it was not provided. This opens an opportunity up so that if there is no other way for me to be able to obtain health care through an employer or by purchasing a secondary plan in the state of Texas (average cost $950 per month) to be able to purchase the same health care plan afforded to the people we elect.

I can't go with the health care argument. Unless it is all going to be government run and everyone is treated equally, I don't agree with it. I am not about to drop $300+ a month for health care when my neighbor down the road gets it for free because his company doesn't offer it.

Health care is a rip off, and it's the amount of money paid the the hospitals and employees that cause the problems...anyway, I am not a fan of ANY insurance policies, they are all a rip off.

Health Care should be run by the government. It's better that way.

I'm an American living in Canada, and I would say that the advantages of public care outweigh the disadvantages. The Rs will try to negatively spin anything government run / nationalized, but the fact is, at least in this case, that it isn't that bad. We aren't paying a lot more in taxes up here in Canada, and it's one less thing (a very important thing) to have to worry about. Everybody should have health care.

Also, anybody that I know from the States that is right/far right that has gone to Canada has "amazingly" liked the Health Care, despite the "oh noes!! it's run by the government" initial thinking when it is presented.

I'm right...pretty far. I wouldn't mind it, except that as it is, I go to the emergency room and wait for 3-4 hours at a time. If people didn't have to "think" about whether they should go or not for a runny nose, I'm terrified the wait time will quadruple. At least if someone knows they will have to fork out $80 bucks to go to the emergency room, they will make sure it's a worthwhile trip!

I like the concept, but that's the biggest fear I have, and have not heard an argument as to what will prevent this from happening!

Originally posted by mwoods07
I can't go with the health care argument. Unless it is all going to be government run and everyone is treated equally, I don't agree with it. I am not about to drop $300+ a month for health care when my neighbor down the road gets it for free because his company doesn't offer it.

Health care is a rip off, and it's the amount of money paid the the hospitals and employees that cause the problems...anyway, I am not a fan of ANY insurance policies, they are all a rip off.

I totally agree. Insurance companies are way over charged which makes health care too expensive. The premiums keep going up, another reason companies have stopped offering it.

Originally posted by mwoods07
I'm right...pretty far. I wouldn't mind it, except that as it is, I go to the emergency room and wait for 3-4 hours at a time. If people didn't have to "think" about whether they should go or not for a runny nose, I'm terrified the wait time will quadruple. At least if someone knows they will have to fork out $80 bucks to go to the emergency room, they will make sure it's a worthwhile trip!

I like the concept, but that's the biggest fear I have, and have not heard an argument as to what will prevent this from happening!

I don't really like that line of thinking, the whole prevent people from going to the hospital thing. I think that is more "training" under the current structure that tells you not to go to the doctor...stay away whenever you can. I think the reality is that we should be going more on average, but costs are a huge concern.

Next, I've waiting in both places, US and Canada. The waits are about the same length, for your average ER / walk-in clinic anyways.

I know most people scream when they hear someone mention a Michael Moore documentary, but Sicko (his documentary on the American Health Care system) was done very well. A few things you can tell he spins to make his point, but for the most part it is very knowledgeable to watch.

Michael Moore cares more about his rep then telling the truth.

Originally posted by jlong78la
I know most people scream when they hear someone mention a Michael Moore documentary, but Sicko (his documentary on the American Health Care system) was done very well. A few things you can tell he spins to make his point, but for the most part it is very knowledgeable to watch.

Sorry..if we had someone willing, the same documentary stating the complete opposite could be easily made. It's all about the way someone wants to spin it. Not to say it is bad...but to say that you are watching what people want you to...just like the news. I try to base my knowledge and life skills on what I know and see on a personal experience...I'm so NOT a fan of the news.

Not to say he makes anything up, but it's too easy to take anything true and show just the portions that display your point of view.

Michael Moore is an entertainer. Just like O'Riely.

Anyways, we're not talking about that...

Originally posted by mwoods07
I'm right...pretty far. I wouldn't mind it, except that as it is, I go to the emergency room and wait for 3-4 hours at a time. If people didn't have to "think" about whether they should go or not for a runny nose, I'm terrified the wait time will quadruple. At least if someone knows they will have to fork out $80 bucks to go to the emergency room, they will make sure it's a worthwhile trip!

I like the concept, but that's the biggest fear I have, and have not heard an argument as to what will prevent this from happening!

Well, actually the way this particular health plan is structured a government sponsored health plan would help ease ER's across the country because then you wouldn't get the rush of people to the ER. They would have the ability to go see their normal doctor.

A lot of the wait time as far as ER's is concerned is because you get people going to the ER for colds, sprains, allergic reactions, simple things like that because the ER cannot turn them away.

Provide that person medical insurance that would help pay for the cost and then they would be able to go to a regular doctor on a regular office visit as opposed to having to go to the ER.

Is it going to be a drastic reduction? No. But it would reduce some of the burden on the ER's across the country.

Originally posted by badmonkey51
Michael Moore cares more about his rep then telling the truth.

I disagree. I think that Michael Moore cares more about getting the story. He just edits the information to portray his point. His opinion on matters actually change from week to week based on the information he gets.