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How much speed and vision should a RG have?

Pulling seems rough even for high speed/vision RG's?

Speed and vision are wildly overrated for guards. Speed should be the fourth attribute you seriously work on... and vision even later than that. I hate seeing all these guards with like 40 speed and agility, but only having 55/50 strength/blocking. You'll be alright for a while built like that, but once you run into some defensive linemen with some strength, you'll be getting destroyed.


Anyways... Hopefully you aren't built like that. I'd say getting into the 30-35 range for your speed would be nice, but it's not something I'd worry about too much. A lot of it depends on your team and your RBs, though. It's much less of a priority if you run it up the gut a lot, or have a slower agility or powerback. If you have a speed back, however, it becomes a bit more of a concern and I'd try and get your speed into the 40+ range if you want to be effective on sweeps. I'd try and get your vision to 30 eventually, but I don't think I'd ever actually put more than a couple SP into it.

I guess Blamo doesn't mind a few false starts.

Wildly overrated is a bit extreme. What else are you supposed to work on when strength and blocking are 2nd capped and agility is capped? Which is only low 20s for guards.

Third cap your strength and/or blocking. False start penalties aren't that common that you'll really need to worry about it. Getting it to the 20's and letting it sit for a while is perfectly fine. Especially because you'll be kicking yourself when D-Linemen are shredding you in a few seasons because you pumped points into vision instead of making sure you had enough strength to ensure it's never going to become a problem.

Originally posted by Dacolts
How much speed and vision should a RG have?

Pulling seems rough even for high speed/vision RG's?



How much you need really depends on level. Strength and blocking need to be up there first. Then agility needs to be soft capped. Then you can get speed and vision up. RG doesn't need to be as strong as LG. I have a level 32 RG that I feel has performed very well.

Strength 85
Blocking 71
Agility 50
Speed 36
Vision 33
Stamina 40
Confidence 40

Since he is RG almost all SAs are in run block and pancake is at 7.

Thanks for the help. I've been neglecting speed and vision while getting str and blocking pretty high. I am not far from soft cap agility. I will probably soft cap agility while training speed. I guess that I will train vision after speed. Is speed > vision?

Is pancake up to 7 really worth it? I have pts in run block and get low but nothing else in either tree.

My feeling is that vision > speed, based upon my tests here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=860519

Originally posted by Blamo
Speed and vision are wildly overrated for guards. Speed should be the fourth attribute you seriously work on... and vision even later than that. I hate seeing all these guards with like 40 speed and agility, but only having 55/50 strength/blocking. You'll be alright for a while built like that, but once you run into some defensive linemen with some strength, you'll be getting destroyed.


Anyways... Hopefully you aren't built like that. I'd say getting into the 30-35 range for your speed would be nice, but it's not something I'd worry about too much. A lot of it depends on your team and your RBs, though. It's much less of a priority if you run it up the gut a lot, or have a slower agility or powerback. If you have a speed back, however, it becomes a bit more of a concern and I'd try and get your speed into the 40+ range if you want to be effective on sweeps. I'd try and get your vision to 30 eventually, but I don't think I'd ever actually put more than a couple SP into it.

Well, I'm glad your guards aren't on either of my teams.

Originally posted by Dacolts
Thanks for the help. I've been neglecting speed and vision while getting str and blocking pretty high. I am not far from soft cap agility. I will probably soft cap agility while training speed. I guess that I will train vision after speed. Is speed > vision?

Is pancake up to 7 really worth it? I have pts in run block and get low but nothing else in either tree.

Sounds like you're doing it right. If you are going to add to speed/vision it is worth training them up to 37 or so before putting any SP in. I have a lvl. 32 G with speed 24, vision 32. I plan to raise these both to 37 with training, and in the future will have to make the choice to take these to the soft-cap with SP or to boost special abilities.

As for pancake to 7, maybe eventually it might be nice, but don't forget get low and cut block. Also foundation in the pass blocking SAs might be useful - it is directly up against a DTs strong base SA, and if you read their forum several of them are talking about getting strength high and pumping points into strong base to push past guards.

Originally posted by alfies
Originally posted by Blamo

Speed and vision are wildly overrated for guards. Speed should be the fourth attribute you seriously work on... and vision even later than that. I hate seeing all these guards with like 40 speed and agility, but only having 55/50 strength/blocking. You'll be alright for a while built like that, but once you run into some defensive linemen with some strength, you'll be getting destroyed.


Anyways... Hopefully you aren't built like that. I'd say getting into the 30-35 range for your speed would be nice, but it's not something I'd worry about too much. A lot of it depends on your team and your RBs, though. It's much less of a priority if you run it up the gut a lot, or have a slower agility or powerback. If you have a speed back, however, it becomes a bit more of a concern and I'd try and get your speed into the 40+ range if you want to be effective on sweeps. I'd try and get your vision to 30 eventually, but I don't think I'd ever actually put more than a couple SP into it.

Well, I'm glad your guards aren't on either of my teams.

Because my guard isn't going to be destroyed by interior linemen and strong ILBs in a couple seasons? Right. The way you get ahead in GLB is to max sure you max the most important stats early. When people have agility/vision almost equal to strength/blocking, it's going to be hard to makeup all that ground in later seasons when they need to. My guard may be a little behind the curve as far as pulling goes (which is still a broken mechanic in many regards), but in a few seasons I'll be almost as fast/agile as most guards, AND I'll be much more powerful.

Originally posted by Blamo
Originally posted by alfies

Originally posted by Blamo


Speed and vision are wildly overrated for guards. Speed should be the fourth attribute you seriously work on... and vision even later than that. I hate seeing all these guards with like 40 speed and agility, but only having 55/50 strength/blocking. You'll be alright for a while built like that, but once you run into some defensive linemen with some strength, you'll be getting destroyed.


Anyways... Hopefully you aren't built like that. I'd say getting into the 30-35 range for your speed would be nice, but it's not something I'd worry about too much. A lot of it depends on your team and your RBs, though. It's much less of a priority if you run it up the gut a lot, or have a slower agility or powerback. If you have a speed back, however, it becomes a bit more of a concern and I'd try and get your speed into the 40+ range if you want to be effective on sweeps. I'd try and get your vision to 30 eventually, but I don't think I'd ever actually put more than a couple SP into it.

Well, I'm glad your guards aren't on either of my teams.

Because my guard isn't going to be destroyed by interior linemen and strong ILBs in a couple seasons? Right. The way you get ahead in GLB is to max sure you max the most important stats early. When people have agility/vision almost equal to strength/blocking, it's going to be hard to makeup all that ground in later seasons when they need to. My guard may be a little behind the curve as far as pulling goes (which is still a broken mechanic in many regards), but in a few seasons I'll be almost as fast/agile as most guards, AND I'll be much more powerful.

Don't be so harsh. Alfies sure was talking about his FB; he just didn't realize he's in the offensive line sub-forum. I'm sure, he doesn't consider a guard with 50 strength, 50 blocking a reasonable build.

(on the other hand, he owns / GMs some low league teams and two of them are low level teams too... I'm afraid, he actually is serious about that!)