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Originally posted by Bretto007
Who gets to decide what is or isn't considered disrespectful or offensive? Maybe I find it offensive and disrespectful for people to put the flag on their back of their trucks or wear it as clothing.



each individual person gets to decide for themselves...and when enough people feel that way you get this, the people demanding change from a massive power like the NFL and the NFL responding.

Both teams stood last night for the anthem, and I bet you every player stands in the next couple weeks.
 
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Originally posted by HayRow
libertarianism and the left are COMPLETELY different things. Hell, libertarianism and the right are COMPLETELY different things tbh. Libertarianism wants smaller fed gov with control back to the states, while the left wants a massive fed gov that controls just about everything, and the right...unfortunately now they really just want the same thing they just think they could do a better job of it.


I would argue that its a bit more complicated, you can be left or right libertarian, left or right autoritarian, left/right are not antagonistic. The left don't want a full control, comunism does.

The thing about the US is that it seems that everyone is either a conservative leaning towards the right or a libertarian towards left, but there is also another problem, trump supporters and other "extremists" believe that everyone that doesn't support them are left wing, well comparing to them they are on their left, but almost every major politician on the US is FAR from the left, besides Bernie, Obama is not.
 
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Originally posted by Galactic Empire
You are drinking the cool aid if you don't think the Illuminati is real. We are moving towards a one world government, currency and religion. Look around...signs everywhere.

Do some real research. Agenda 21; Agenda 2030; Depopulation of billions; Georgia Guidestones; George Soros; Hollywood, Bilderberg group; federal reserve; petro dollar, etc...

Do you know how the banking system works? They control everything


I know how the banking system works, but its not that complicated, they "control the money", people go too hardcore on conspiracy theories. One world currency is almost here, the dollar, religion? Not in 1 million ears.

But the thing is, what does the banks and the most powerfull families that currently "control" the world economy have to do with the "left"?
 
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And again as a ginger I feel everyone is racist against us and it's perfectly acceptable. Don't act like you're not.





Yes they are, as people are against asians (smart people), germans (angry language), etc, its a preconception, prejudice, but the thing is, diferent from blacks and other groups, gingers and others don't have such prejudicial stigma or history of oppresion, the preconception is not connected to something inherently bad or really nefarious.

Black people suffer preconception due slavery and the consequences of this, such as poverty, segregation, lack of education, for does facts the preconception towards them is way more severe.

But as Myrik said, today is more a class/social subject, but the history of segregation is the cause, black people are submited to bad conditions, living in poor communities, lack of access to good education, close contact to crime, violence (from the cops and the community itself), so of course the chances of you being robbed by a black person is way higher them by a white one, but this contributes to racism, people (some) interconnect these bad characteristics to their race. The reason why they are in this situation is the color of their skin.

Those disparities are a substrate of the history of the world, so we need to compensate for it in some ways, its not fair to sustain this inequality, black and white people never had the same opportunities, Meritocracy in a world like this is an illusion, actually is more then that, its a tool of segregation.
 
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Originally posted by Bretto007
Who gets to decide what is or isn't considered disrespectful or offensive? Maybe I find it offensive and disrespectful for people to put the flag on their back of their trucks or wear it as clothing.



I do find most of the ways people display the flag to be offensive and dont like it but i agree its thier right. i Dont care what people do whether i agree or not as long as it doesnt affect my life,my liberty, or my pursuit of happiness.
 
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Originally posted by Bretto007
Who gets to decide what is or isn't considered disrespectful or offensive? Maybe I find it offensive and disrespectful for people to put the flag on their back of their trucks or wear it as clothing.



If it's not harming another then it shouldn't be offensive. To say anyone who displays something you don't like is oppression. Your argument is doing exactly what you're arguing against.
 
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Originally posted by McLovinCowboys
I would argue that its a bit more complicated, you can be left or right libertarian, left or right autoritarian, left/right are not antagonistic. The left don't want a full control, comunism does.

The thing about the US is that it seems that everyone is either a conservative leaning towards the right or a libertarian towards left, but there is also another problem, trump supporters and other "extremists" believe that everyone that doesn't support them are left wing, well comparing to them they are on their left, but almost every major politician on the US is FAR from the left, besides Bernie, Obama is not.


Most libertarians lean right. Right is less government control. The left is for socialism which is one step from communism/Marxism. All three want the government to be in control of most aspects of your life including how much and what you can earn, do, say. Take forced healthcare for example. Hurts most working people to pay for the poor. Prime example of a left ideal.

Hard core libertarians beleive there should be very little government. They would stop welfare and most government programs and say, reap what you sow. Want to eat work for it. Want to have things work harder for it. Don't want to work then starve. This is a small number of people though so don't get into it to much.

Conservatives believe in less government regulation. They feel that thriving business is better for all as it puts more money in everyone's pocket. Democrats/Liberals overtax the wealthy and corporations which then is what leads to them packing up and going to countries that do not. Which in turns takes money out of our economy and the pockets of the working class.

You can't have it both ways no matter what Bernie Sanders says. That's proven to fail every time. Look at Greece as an example. What a great plan, until the money dried up(as it always does)
 
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It is useless dbill. Liberalism is a mental disease. They are brainwashed by the constant left wing propaganda being thrown at us daily. It is so fucking blatant that it amazes me how they cannot see it.
 
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I talked to my cousin about this which is in the army right now, he doesn't feel disrespected... He says he fights for the rights us Americans have and Peaceful Protesting is one of them.
 
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Originally posted by Galactic Empire
It is useless dbill. Liberalism is a mental disease. They are brainwashed by the constant left wing propaganda being thrown at us daily. It is so fucking blatant that it amazes me how they cannot see it.


jesus man, relax
 
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Originally posted by dbill
Most libertarians lean right. Right is less government control. The left is for socialism which is one step from communism/Marxism. All three want the government to be in control of most aspects of your life including how much and what you can earn, do, say. Take forced healthcare for example. Hurts most working people to pay for the poor. Prime example of a left ideal.

Hard core libertarians beleive there should be very little government. They would stop welfare and most government programs and say, reap what you sow. Want to eat work for it. Want to have things work harder for it. Don't want to work then starve. This is a small number of people though so don't get into it to much.

Conservatives believe in less government regulation. They feel that thriving business is better for all as it puts more money in everyone's pocket. Democrats/Liberals overtax the wealthy and corporations which then is what leads to them packing up and going to countries that do not. Which in turns takes money out of our economy and the pockets of the working class.

You can't have it both ways no matter what Bernie Sanders says. That's proven to fail every time. Look at Greece as an example. What a great plan, until the money dried up(as it always does)


This is right in a lot of ways but left isn't just socialism/comunism, this is the more authoritarian part of the left, i consider myself a center-left libertarian, i believe that the unbalanced exposed by the marxism should help to evolve capitalism, being a bit more humanitarian, i respect the right to private property, and that most of the areas should be privatized, but i don't believe on the invisible hand of the market, true free market, in my opinion, benneficiates those who are already rich, the government should help to balance some things.

Conservativs believe in less government but more on the economy, i don't agree with their views on the social side, and a lot of them are actually disguised reactionaries, "make america great again" seems way more reactionary.

One of the problems is that people aren't honest politically, with their own views and the others, if i just say "there is racism in the world and it needs to be fixed", i am automatically labeled as a left socialist/communist.

Also, one can have different ideas, a government can take left and right measures, it isn't so black and white.

Sorry i didn't understood what you meant by what Bernie says, you mean balanced positions between left and right?

To me the ideal model is the Nordic, at least the better one, you guys should take a look on the nordic capitalism.
 
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Originally posted by Galactic Empire
It is useless dbill. Liberalism is a mental disease. They are brainwashed by the constant left wing propaganda being thrown at us daily. It is so fucking blatant that it amazes me how they cannot see it.


It is useless dbill, conservatism/reactionarism is a mental disease. They are brainwashed by the constant right wing propaganda being thrown at us daily. It is so fucking blatant what it amazes me how they cannot see it. (see what i did there?)

Such an deep and thoughtful analisis GE, very argumentative, congrats.

Thinking of youself so highly and superior to everyone else, being so sure that your ideals are the right one and everyone else is 100% wrong, not just wrong, but that they are mentally compromised or that they were brainwashed says so much about you. But that is not a surprise to me, your historic on this forum always told a lot about you, even just talking about a football simulator. Just funny how the unforgetable GE of course would have this political allignment.
 
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Originally posted by McLovinCowboys
It is useless dbill, conservatism/reactionarism is a mental disease. They are brainwashed by the constant right wing propaganda being thrown at us daily. It is so fucking blatant what it amazes me how they cannot see it. (see what i did there?)

Such an deep and thoughtful analisis GE, very argumentative, congrats.

Thinking of youself so highly and superior to everyone else, being so sure that your ideals are the right one and everyone else is 100% wrong, not just wrong, but that they are mentally compromised or that they were brainwashed says so much about you. But that is not a surprise to me, your historic on this forum always told a lot about you, even just talking about a football simulator. Just funny how the unforgetable GE of course would have this political allignment.




I didn't have much against GE before this, but saying liberals are mentally ill because they disagree with you is pretty disgusting. I also think it's telling that it came as no surprise to me when GE started spewing Illuminati conspiracy theories in this thread.
 
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Fine, the Galactic Empire will just go back to taking every GLB scums trophies.

Like I stated when I started playing this game. I came here for 2 things...drink some beer and take some trophies. Looks like I'm all out of beer
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Originally posted by Node


I didn't have much against GE before this, but saying liberals are mentally ill because they disagree with you is pretty disgusting. I also think it's telling that it came as no surprise to me when GE started spewing Illuminati conspiracy theories in this thread.


Hate to "defend" GE - but the honest truth is: extremists on both sides are indeed, mentally ill. That includes nutjob liberals - and it includes so far alt right idiots.

The current problem with our discourse - We paint all 'democrats' with the same brush we paint nutjob liberals. And we paint all non-democrats with the same brush that we paint alt right idiots.

We don't care about knowing anything - we just reach for the closest and simplest label and slap it on.

We have to be close to another major culture shift...because the one we've been using for the last 10-15 years is absolutely broken -- and ridiculous if any of us will actually stop...take a breath....and think before we label.
 
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