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That's what makes the game more fun, that your players have to do different things. It's the iron man feel that everyone liked way back in the day.

You guys are asking for the sim to fix your builds, you should be fixing your builds to the sim

Gameplans could help too, giving the ball back quickly probably hurts a bit and just from looking at air raids STs set up you could probably put more suitable players in for their rolls (unless your WRs can block and CBs can break block/hold ground)

What's crazy is this myth that rushing offense = passing offense.

Passing is a stronger offensive path. If a passing team like Sunday Funday could have an elite defense they'd be number 1 right now.

Asking to give pure passing teams an equal balance on STs just further leans things in their favor.

I get that rushing dominates early in the game, but it doesn't compare to passing offenses in higher levels. Teams like my own and DD's win on builds and by exploiting tactical holes, but those build advantages are slowly slipping away as teams have secondaries that arent pancaked as easy and that can somewhat tackle. Passing is the superior route and you don't need STs help because you refuse to invest in run blocking skills, too.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
What's crazy is this myth that rushing offense = passing offense.

Passing is a stronger offensive path. If a passing team like Sunday Funday could have an elite defense they'd be number 1 right now.

Asking to give pure passing teams an equal balance on STs just further leans things in their favor.

I get that rushing dominates early in the game, but it doesn't compare to passing offenses in higher levels. Teams like my own and DD's win on builds and by exploiting tactical holes, but those build advantages are slowly slipping away as teams have secondaries that arent pancaked as easy and that can somewhat tackle. Passing is the superior route and you don't need STs help because you refuse to invest in run blocking skills, too.

None of the tiers suggest you are correct on this assumption. Outside of Sunday Funday being #1 if my defense was shutting people out every day.

Seriously...walk down the list of tiers and show me a higher rated passing team than 3rd. As far as the advantages slipping away, I call bullshit. They slip away until you hit yet another gold SA and they are right back on top again. Not to mention the passing game is nowhere near as brutal as it was a season ago. I am clawing most games out on defense alone if they aren't total shit opponents.

Originally posted by bhall43
None of the tiers suggest you are correct on this assumption. Outside of Sunday Funday being #1 if my defense was shutting people out every day.

Seriously...walk down the list of tiers and show me a higher rated passing team than 3rd. As far as the advantages slipping away, I call bullshit. They slip away until you hit yet another gold SA and they are right back on top again. Not to mention the passing game is nowhere near as brutal as it was a season ago. I am clawing most games out on defense alone if they aren't total shit opponents.

Rookie league has my passing team in the top three.

Originally posted by bhall43
Seriously...walk down the list of tiers and show me a higher rated passing team than 3rd. As far as the advantages slipping away, I call bullshit. They slip away until you hit yet another gold SA and they are right back on top again. Not to mention the passing game is nowhere near as brutal as it was a season ago. I am clawing most games out on defense alone if they aren't total shit opponents.

Salty throws the ball a lot, they're #2 in Journeyman.

Two and three teams in rookie pass more than run, too.

Originally posted by pottsman
Salty throws the ball a lot, they're #2 in Journeyman.

Two and three teams in rookie pass more than run, too.

ill give you Salty. I really thought they were a little more balanced. Blitzkrieg clearly is a balanced team.

Originally posted by Time Trial
Rookie league has my passing team in the top three.

you don't say?

Originally posted by bhall43

Seriously...walk down the list of tiers and show me a higher rated passing team than 3rd.

the answer is simple, the best offense in this game is a rush heavy/balanced offense. There is a good reason DD and Hawaii are the top teams over pure rushing or pure passing. There are a few exceptions like salty or if SF had a better defense but overall all but the teams that can rush 75% and pass 25% will usually dominate because it keeps the defense honest.

Originally posted by o The Boss x

Gameplans could help too, giving the ball back quickly probably hurts a bit and just from looking at air raids STs set up you could probably put more suitable players in for their rolls (unless your WRs can block and CBs can break block/hold ground)

my WRs run block every bit as good as any other player on my team. We're 100% irrelevant across the board on our return unit.

Originally posted by bhall43

Originally posted by bhall43


Seriously...walk down the list of tiers and show me a higher rated passing team than 3rd.


That's a really weird argument to make a point that passing is underpowered.

"Sure, they are better than 90% of the teams, but there's 2 teams better than them!"

Originally posted by bhall43
None of the tiers suggest you are correct on this assumption. Outside of Sunday Funday being #1 if my defense was shutting people out every day.

Seriously...walk down the list of tiers and show me a higher rated passing team than 3rd. As far as the advantages slipping away, I call bullshit. They slip away until you hit yet another gold SA and they are right back on top again. Not to mention the passing game is nowhere near as brutal as it was a season ago. I am clawing most games out on defense alone if they aren't total shit opponents.

Bhall if youd bothered to look at the top 10 rookie teams you'd have realized that most of them are either pass only teams or balanced/passing teams which completely throws your argument out of the window

Originally posted by Corndog
That's a really weird argument to make a point that passing is underpowered.

"Sure, they are better than 90% of the teams, but there's 2 teams better than them!"

Ya that would be a weird argument for passing is underpowered. Good thing I never said that right? Now show me a good argument for passing being overpowered.

Originally posted by Chevanton10
Bhall if youd bothered to look at the top 10 rookie teams you'd have realized that most of them are either pass only teams or balanced/passing teams which completely throws your argument out of the window

Originally posted by bhall43

Seriously...walk down the list of tiers and show me a higher rated passing team than 3rd.

I just went ahead and emphasized the key part of the sentence for you
The point is you have to go all the way down to Rookie to not find the dilemna he's describing.

Personally I think it's a problem of how binary each play is for a QB (the pass is either caught or not) and how morale (and not rattled) plays into those situations versus heavy running teams.

Heavy run teams have the same potential to break 70+ yard touchdown plays as passing teams, but they can pick up 3 yards on a run and that can still be considered a successful play depending on the circumstance. If you blow up a running back's morale that doesn't mean he is getting TFL'd more often than not. That HB can keep chugging, break a few small yardage runs that slowly build back morale (more for stuff like first downs etc.) and avoid the spiral from happening.

Passing teams don't have that luxury because their results are so binary. If you blow up a QB's morale his chances of success go down and his chance at failure go up. This only compounds with itself as the higher your failure chance, the more likely you are to fail, and thus the lower your morale will be and the more likely you will be to fail in the future.

I'd like to see something like a buff for defensive players who repeatedly make tackles on the same player, or just defensive plays in general. Kind of like a positive rattled or an on-fire mechanic. If a DC can read a running team and put the right player in the right spot more often than not, he should be rewarded for it with a player better able to do what he is trying to accomplish. It would also be a kind of indirect nerf to play spamming, as you'd likely continue to buff the same one or two players through the course of the game which would end up working against you.

Originally posted by bhall43
Ya that would be a weird argument for passing is underpowered. Good thing I never said that right? Now show me a good argument for passing being overpowered.

So you think balance is about perfect right now?

And show me why all passing is the best way to run a team.