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Every time I see the title of this thread a Quiet Riot happens in my head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLE4ZlsnJZA

I decided to take a look at every CPU-owned team in any Elite or Competitive league (regular sim only, not Casual or Pee Wee) to see if I could find any ridiculous examples of CPU-owned teams beating good human teams. I ignored any leagues below Competitive, since if you're a human team that couldn't even make the playoffs in Competitive, you have no logical grounds for claiming to be a good team. Period. I included Competitive simply because there's at least a chance of some decent human teams being in Competitive, though most human teams in Competitive probably aren't very good.

First, here's a list of the teams:

OFOTD II (1-8) - Regional Pro Elite #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4461
Nordic Skulls (0-9) - Regional Pro Elite #3 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=6214
Cuidado Piso Mojado (0-9) - Regional Pro Competitive #5 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2726
Baltimore Tigers (1-9) - Regional Pro Competitive #9 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1843
Cleveland Dawgs (0-9) - Semi Pro Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1503
Canton Bulldogs (2-7) - National Minor Elite #1 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1571
Ocean City Crabs (2-7) - National Minor Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=257
Odsherred Berserkers (2-7) - Regional Minor Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1598
Rosario Fire (1-8) - Regional Minor Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=485
Cleveland Orange (2-7) - University Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1299
London Olympians (2-7) - University Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1553
Worcester County Mohawks (2-7) - University Competitive #3 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1520
Railside Rookies (2-7) - Prep Competitive #1 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1364
Thermoplae Warriors (0-9) - Prep Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2877

Overall record: 17-103, a .142 winning percentage. Against human-owned teams in Elite and Competitive, CPU-owned teams are winning 14% of the time.

Of course, the "CPUS ARE OVERPOWERED OMGWTFBBQ!" crowd is going to be outraged that the win column is anything other than 0. But let's go look at those 17 wins and see if they actually mean anything.

OFOTD II 83, Stuttgart 14 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2171298
Stuttgart is human-owned, but has an all CPU roster, so this was basically 2 CPU teams going at it.

Baltimore 36, Novaya 23 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2173656
Novaya is a human-owned human-roster team in Regional Pro Competitive #9, but they're bloody awful. Their average level is 63 in a league where the best teams are in the 70s, their roster has human dots as low as Level 37 and a handful of CPU dots, and Novaya's overall record is 2-8. They're turrible, just turrible, and they're well on their way to demoting from Competitive down to Normal. A CPU team beating them is still probably an upset, but it shouldn't be particularly shocking or rage-inducing... certainly not evidence that CPU dots are over-powered.

Canton 16, Pottsville 0 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2177119
Pottsville is a human-owned human-roster team in National Minor Elite #1. Their roster isn't the best, but their average level is consistent with the rest of the league at 58, even if their average effective level is only 57. But their record is 1-8, including 6 games where they got shutout and 2 more games where they couldn't even top 7 points. So either they're not gameplanning, or they're awful at it, and because of that they're well on their way to demoting to Competitive -- and they might still struggle there too. Again, this game doesn't have me too worried about CPU dots being over-powered.

Canton 10, Black Steel Storm 9 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2177121
FINALLY... a decent human team losing to a CPU team. BSS ain't exactly dominant, but they're 4-5, in 8th place, and very much in the hunt for a playoff spot in Elite. So how did they lose to a CPU team? Well, here's the thing... Canton is a CPU-owned team, but there are also 10 human dots on the roster, which mitigates things somewhat. Still though, for the "CPU DOTS ARE OVERPOWERED!" crowd, here you go: an example of a CPU team beating a decent human team. But I'm very amused that *I* am the one who found it before any of you.

Ocean City 111, Staten Island 0 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2177571
Staten Island is human-owned, but they have a 40-man roster with 18 humans and 22 CPUs, and they're 1-8 in National Minor Competitive and well on their way to demoting down from Competitive to Normal. NOT a decent human team, not even close.

Ocean City 40, Gridiron 10 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2177546
Gridiron is also human-owned, but they have just a 45-man roster, only 30 of which are humans and 15 are CPUs. Many of the human dots are underleveled for their league, and their record is 2-7 in National Minor Competitive #2. They're well on their way to demoting down from Competitive to Normal, so yeah, no. Not a decent human team at all.

Odsherred 16, Justice 6 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2182722
Justice League is human-owned with a full human roster, though slightly under-leveled for their league. But they're 3-6 in Regional Minor Competitive #2, so they're struggling just to keep their head above water in Competitive... they've been held below 10 points 6 times, 3 of those times being shutouts. A decent team doesn't struggle like this in Competitive, so a 10-point loss to a CPU team doesn't peg my outrage meter.

Odsherred 108, Long Island 0 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2182533
Long Island is human-owned, but has an all CPU roster, so this was basically 2 CPU teams going at it.

Rosario 12, Odsherred 7 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2182553
Oh, hey, both teams here are CPU-owned teams, so never mind. That leaves Rosario with 0 wins over human-owned teams.

Cleveland 27, Botafogo Beach 13 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2186049
Botafogo Beach is human-owned with human dots, but they're WAY under-leveled for their league, with an average level of 24 compared to the top teams in the league being in the upper 30s. Botafogo is also 2-7 in University Competitive #2 and well on their way to demoting down to Normal, so they're nowhere near being a decent human-owned team.

Cleveland 22, Honolulu 14 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2185824
Honolulu is human-owned, but with a 40-man roster made up of just 25 humans and 15 CPU dots. They're also 1-8 in University Competitive #2 and well on their way to demoting out of Competitive down into Normal, so calling these guys "decent" would be quite a stretch.

London 13, Honolulu 0 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2185890
Oh, hey, it's the same Honolulu team I just looked at above. Same arguments apply.

London 34, Nibiru 31 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2185892
Nibiru is human-owned, but their 43-man roster includes only 7 humans and 36 CPU dots, and they're 0-9 in University Competitive #2. Decent? Not even close.

Worcester 79, Portland 7 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2186984
Portland is human-owned, but has an all CPU roster, so this was basically 2 CPU teams going at it.

Worcester 75, New Jersey 0 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2186998
As the team note for New Jersey says, this was a CPU team until it was bought by a human 2 days ago, and the team will be reset at the end of the season. So, the owner is clearly in zero-cares mode, and the roster only has 4 human dots anyway. Not even close to a decent human team.

Railside 24, Guahan 17 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2183774
Guahan is a human-owned, human-roster team, but they're a good 9 levels below the top teams in their league. They're also 2-7 in Prep Competitive #1, and are prime candidates to demote down to Normal next season. Not a decent human team.

Railside 7, Free Dots 0 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2183857
Free Dots is a human-owned, human-roster team, with levels that match up just fine with the rest of their league. But their Effective Level matches their Average Level, which suggests they may not be building right. Also, their record is 2-7, including 3 shutout losses and 6 losses by double-digits, which suggests their gameplanning isn't up-to-par. Their only 2 wins came against Guahan (see above) and a human team 9 levels below them. If they can't handle equal competition, that makes me think they're not a good team at all, so an upset loss to a CPU team doesn't particularly shock or surprise me.

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So, there you have it: every instance of a CPU team beating a human-owned team in either Elite or Competitive so far this season. Of those 17 wins, only 1 came against a decent human team at all, a playoff-bubble team in Elite with a 4-5 record.

If CPU dots are so over-powered, shouldn't there be more than 1 example? And why is it that it took ME to find it, and not any of you?

Originally posted by superpunk
somehow we beat the 8 teams who gameplanned to beat the CPUs without gameplanning to beat 8 teams who gameplanned to beat the CPUs

explain that Mr. Scientist

noone cares about your elite league red herring except for you answer the damn question

Originally posted by DONKEIDIC
Every time I see the title of this thread a Quiet Riot happens in my head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLE4ZlsnJZA

That is "feel the noise" though......

Originally posted by Novus
I decided to take a look at every CPU-owned team in any Elite or Competitive league (regular sim only, not Casual or Pee Wee) to see if I could find any ridiculous examples of CPU-owned teams beating good human teams. I ignored any leagues below Competitive, since if you're a human team that couldn't even make the playoffs in Competitive, you have no logical grounds for claiming to be a good team. Period. I included Competitive simply because there's at least a chance of some decent human teams being in Competitive, though most human teams in Competitive probably aren't very good.

First, here's a list of the teams:

OFOTD II (1-8) - Regional Pro Elite #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4461
Nordic Skulls (0-9) - Regional Pro Elite #3 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=6214
Cuidado Piso Mojado (0-9) - Regional Pro Competitive #5 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2726
Baltimore Tigers (1-9) - Regional Pro Competitive #9 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1843
Cleveland Dawgs (0-9) - Semi Pro Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1503
Canton Bulldogs (2-7) - National Minor Elite #1 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1571
Ocean City Crabs (2-7) - National Minor Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=257
Odsherred Berserkers (2-7) - Regional Minor Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1598
Rosario Fire (1-8) - Regional Minor Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=485
Cleveland Orange (2-7) - University Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1299
London Olympians (2-7) - University Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1553
Worcester County Mohawks (2-7) - University Competitive #3 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1520
Railside Rookies (2-7) - Prep Competitive #1 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1364
Thermoplae Warriors (0-9) - Prep Competitive #2 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2877

Overall record: 17-103, a .142 winning percentage. Against human-owned teams in Elite and Competitive, CPU-owned teams are winning 14% of the time.

Of course, the "CPUS ARE OVERPOWERED OMGWTFBBQ!" crowd is going to be outraged that the win column is anything other than 0. But let's go look at those 17 wins and see if they actually mean anything.

OFOTD II 83, Stuttgart 14 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2171298
Stuttgart is human-owned, but has an all CPU roster, so this was basically 2 CPU teams going at it.

Baltimore 36, Novaya 23 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2173656
Novaya is a human-owned human-roster team in Regional Pro Competitive #9, but they're bloody awful. Their average level is 63 in a league where the best teams are in the 70s, their roster has human dots as low as Level 37 and a handful of CPU dots, and Novaya's overall record is 2-8. They're turrible, just turrible, and they're well on their way to demoting from Competitive down to Normal. A CPU team beating them is still probably an upset, but it shouldn't be particularly shocking or rage-inducing... certainly not evidence that CPU dots are over-powered.

Canton 16, Pottsville 0 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2177119
Pottsville is a human-owned human-roster team in National Minor Elite #1. Their roster isn't the best, but their average level is consistent with the rest of the league at 58, even if their average effective level is only 57. But their record is 1-8, including 6 games where they got shutout and 2 more games where they couldn't even top 7 points. So either they're not gameplanning, or they're awful at it, and because of that they're well on their way to demoting to Competitive -- and they might still struggle there too. Again, this game doesn't have me too worried about CPU dots being over-powered.

Canton 10, Black Steel Storm 9 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2177121
FINALLY... a decent human team losing to a CPU team. BSS ain't exactly dominant, but they're 4-5, in 8th place, and very much in the hunt for a playoff spot in Elite. So how did they lose to a CPU team? Well, here's the thing... Canton is a CPU-owned team, but there are also 10 human dots on the roster, which mitigates things somewhat. Still though, for the "CPU DOTS ARE OVERPOWERED!" crowd, here you go: an example of a CPU team beating a decent human team. But I'm very amused that *I* am the one who found it before any of you.

Ocean City 111, Staten Island 0 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2177571
Staten Island is human-owned, but they have a 40-man roster with 18 humans and 22 CPUs, and they're 1-8 in National Minor Competitive and well on their way to demoting down from Competitive to Normal. NOT a decent human team, not even close.

Ocean City 40, Gridiron 10 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2177546
Gridiron is also human-owned, but they have just a 45-man roster, only 30 of which are humans and 15 are CPUs. Many of the human dots are underleveled for their league, and their record is 2-7 in National Minor Competitive #2. They're well on their way to demoting down from Competitive to Normal, so yeah, no. Not a decent human team at all.

Odsherred 16, Justice 6 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2182722
Justice League is human-owned with a full human roster, though slightly under-leveled for their league. But they're 3-6 in Regional Minor Competitive #2, so they're struggling just to keep their head above water in Competitive... they've been held below 10 points 6 times, 3 of those times being shutouts. A decent team doesn't struggle like this in Competitive, so a 10-point loss to a CPU team doesn't peg my outrage meter.

Odsherred 108, Long Island 0 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2182533
Long Island is human-owned, but has an all CPU roster, so this was basically 2 CPU teams going at it.

Rosario 12, Odsherred 7 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2182553
Oh, hey, both teams here are CPU-owned teams, so never mind. That leaves Rosario with 0 wins over human-owned teams.

Cleveland 27, Botafogo Beach 13 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2186049
Botafogo Beach is human-owned with human dots, but they're WAY under-leveled for their league, with an average level of 24 compared to the top teams in the league being in the upper 30s. Botafogo is also 2-7 in University Competitive #2 and well on their way to demoting down to Normal, so they're nowhere near being a decent human-owned team.

Cleveland 22, Honolulu 14 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2185824
Honolulu is human-owned, but with a 40-man roster made up of just 25 humans and 15 CPU dots. They're also 1-8 in University Competitive #2 and well on their way to demoting out of Competitive down into Normal, so calling these guys "decent" would be quite a stretch.

London 13, Honolulu 0 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2185890
Oh, hey, it's the same Honolulu team I just looked at above. Same arguments apply.

London 34, Nibiru 31 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2185892
Nibiru is human-owned, but their 43-man roster includes only 7 humans and 36 CPU dots, and they're 0-9 in University Competitive #2. Decent? Not even close.

Worcester 79, Portland 7 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2186984
Portland is human-owned, but has an all CPU roster, so this was basically 2 CPU teams going at it.

Worcester 75, New Jersey 0 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2186998
As the team note for New Jersey says, this was a CPU team until it was bought by a human 2 days ago, and the team will be reset at the end of the season. So, the owner is clearly in zero-cares mode, and the roster only has 4 human dots anyway. Not even close to a decent human team.

Railside 24, Guahan 17 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2183774
Guahan is a human-owned, human-roster team, but they're a good 9 levels below the top teams in their league. They're also 2-7 in Prep Competitive #1, and are prime candidates to demote down to Normal next season. Not a decent human team.

Railside 7, Free Dots 0 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2183857
Free Dots is a human-owned, human-roster team, with levels that match up just fine with the rest of their league. But their Effective Level matches their Average Level, which suggests they may not be building right. Also, their record is 2-7, including 3 shutout losses and 6 losses by double-digits, which suggests their gameplanning isn't up-to-par. Their only 2 wins came against Guahan (see above) and a human team 9 levels below them. If they can't handle equal competition, that makes me think they're not a good team at all, so an upset loss to a CPU team doesn't particularly shock or surprise me.

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So, there you have it: every instance of a CPU team beating a human-owned team in either Elite or Competitive so far this season. Of those 17 wins, only 1 came against a decent human team at all, a playoff-bubble team in Elite with a 4-5 record.

If CPU dots are so over-powered, shouldn't there be more than 1 example? And why is it that it took ME to find it, and not any of you?

holly balls!

shit
got
real

Originally posted by Novus


Ocean City 40, Gridiron 10 - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2177546
Gridiron is also human-owned, but they have just a 45-man roster, only 30 of which are humans and 15 are CPUs. Many of the human dots are underleveled for their league, and their record is 2-7 in National Minor Competitive #2. They're well on their way to demoting down from Competitive to Normal, so yeah, no. Not a decent human team at all.




Brings back memories

Originally posted by superpunk
Originally posted by superpunk

somehow we beat the 8 teams who gameplanned to beat the CPUs without gameplanning to beat 8 teams who gameplanned to beat the CPUs

explain that Mr. Scientist

noone cares about your elite league red herring except for you answer the damn question

I reject the very premise of your question.

8-0 in a bottom-rung league means nothing.

CPU-owned teams have played Elite or Competitive human-owned teams 120 times this season and only won 17 times -- 16 of those times against terrible human teams that weren't much better than CPU-owned teams. Out of all 120 of those games, I only found 1 that gave me any concern, and even then the CPU-owned team needed a handful of human dots just to squeak out a win against a playoff-bubble team with a losing record.

CPU dots are not overpowered. Fix your gameplan.

This team:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=315

Just beat this team:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2722


Game 13-7: http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2178013


Ridiculous IMO

Originally posted by dahman32
Originally posted by Novus


But in the meantime, unless a bunch of CPU teams suddenly go on a rampage in the playoffs this season and win some Elite gold trophies or something, I'm simply not going to worry about this.

Will just post on about every page of this thread, to tout my mastery of numbers and about how not worried I am because of the statistics I shall soon reveal to you mere mortals

Is there anything wrong with the info I provided above?

Plenty of emotion on this topic. I figured I'd add some actual data as well. What's wrong with that?

Originally posted by English Pats Fan
This team:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=315

Just beat this team:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2722

Game 13-7: http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2178013

Ridiculous IMO

Why is it ridiculous?

Once again, it's Semi Pro League #3, a league full of CPU-owned teams, CPU-filled rosters, and terrible human teams. And despite the league being so awful, the human team in this example is now 4-6. In a league this week, they're going to miss the playoffs. And last season, they went 2-14 in Competitive, which is how they demoted down to Normal for this season.

Awful, awful, awful human team. Awful human teams sometimes lose to CPU teams.

Of all the things that are wrong with this game and this sim, this is seriously what angers you the most?

Originally posted by English Pats Fan
This team:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=315

Just beat this team:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2722


Game 13-7: http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2178013


Ridiculous IMO

Not at all. The team that lost is terrible!! Not being hateful or trying to stir the pot man but that team is just BAD!!

I just don't think it's right how a decent human Offense can only score 7 points against a team full of CPU players on defense. Of course there is other things wrong but CPU teams beating Human teams is one of them. No matter how awful the team is, just my opinion though haha

Here is a TE on that team:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2812851 (HORRIBLE BUILD!)

There is a level 66 HB with 66 carrying and 30 vision. HORRIBLE!

Look at this LB:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2810871 (Holy shit!!! HORRIBLE!!!)

Accept the facts man.....horrible team!!