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Originally posted by LordEvil
2 teams in gold, metagamer = Asterik championship


I looked things over, there are 2 more owners with TWO teams in PWG besides jkid2 & myself, so it's becoming more popular.
 
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Originally posted by Jackson55555

A yes/yes team should NOT lose to a no/no team. There isn't some magical balance given to the no/no team come playoffs. If you have 3 levels + CEQ on a team and you lose, you're doing something, simple as that. You can't argue against higher stats. You can, however, argue against game planning. The no/no team just put more effort in. When I had my no/no team, I put more effort in than the yes/yes teams I beat.


Old school style of thinking and just isn't true anymore. Last season when my AZ Cards was a pure no-no team, I often scrimmed my full-full CWLB team which used the exactly same defense and defensive builds, but used LE's superior offense. There was no game planning, just simple defensive tagging and the teams played each other 13 times. CWLB won 7 of them and AZ won 6 of them, nearly a 50-50 split! In those 13 games, CWLB scored a total of 185 points and AZ scored a total of 202 points! Care to explain that?
 
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Originally posted by Jackson55555
Well thank you for keeping the lights on around here, you're a good man!


Ha! No shit eh?
 
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Originally posted by Gerr
Old school style of thinking and just isn't true anymore. Last season when my AZ Cards was a pure no-no team, I often scrimmed my full-full CWLB team which used the exactly same defense and defensive builds, but used LE's superior offense. There was no game planning, just simple defensive tagging and the teams played each other 13 times. CWLB won 7 of them and AZ won 6 of them, nearly a 50-50 split! In those 13 games, CWLB scored a total of 185 points and AZ scored a total of 202 points! Care to explain that?


1) AZ was not a pure no no team so you can lay that to rest. You admitted to buying custom to hang with Green Bay

2) I do not game plan when going up against the same owner/coordinator of the same team. Just like I told Jkid that if FG and Gold Test squad was to make it to gold, it be a waste of my time to even play that game.

3) Your builds on AZ were far better than the builds on Chicago. Close, but the builds on AZ were 100% taken care of. I looked the entire builds over on Chicago as opposed to AZ, you forgot early season you gave me a gm invite and I never took it, then for shits and grins, I accepted and copied all your builds to compare the two. It appeared to me you favored AZ over Chicago and the builds kind of assured me that whats was going on. SAs you were using on AZ you were not investing in on Chicago. Heck I even had to pm you and ask you to add your EQ that you missed on one of your DEFENSIVE players.

4) My offense isn't superior. Offense in general past level 8 is horrible. I could write a page long on what is wrong with it. Too many things to list. This is essentially a defensive game from level 10-16. Which is why I actually enjoy the defensive side of things more so than the offense now. I just use a solid AI try to scout the best possible plays vs a team.

5) However Gerr is right about one thing, a no no team can hang with a boosted team because of all the changes Bort has made has finally trickled down and is effecting offenses to score. The passing bonus pretty much disappears at level 12 and pump fakes and fakes in general have become very limited and non existent in the playoffs. I'd be more than happy to let Jackson5555 completely run Short Bus and I'll make the players for him and boost and see if he can walk away with a championship. 90 plus speed Wrs, Hbs etc just do not beat 75 speed Cbs anymore. 90 strength offensive lineman just don't beat 70 strength defensive lineman anymore.
 
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Originally posted by LordEvil
1) AZ was not a pure no no team so you can lay that to rest. You admitted to buying custom to hang with Green Bay

2) I do not game plan when going up against the same owner/coordinator of the same team. Just like I told Jkid that if FG and Gold Test squad was to make it to gold, it be a waste of my time to even play that game.

3) Your builds on AZ were far better than the builds on Chicago. Close, but the builds on AZ were 100% taken care of. I looked the entire builds over on Chicago as opposed to AZ, you forgot early season you gave me a gm invite and I never took it, then for shits and grins, I accepted and copied all your builds to compare the two. It appeared to me you favored AZ over Chicago and the builds kind of assured me that whats was going on. SAs you were using on AZ you were not investing in on Chicago. Heck I even had to pm you and ask you to add your EQ that you missed on one of your DEFENSIVE players.

4) My offense isn't superior. Offense in general past level 8 is horrible. I could write a page long on what is wrong with it. Too many things to list. This is essentially a defensive game from level 10-16. Which is why I actually enjoy the defensive side of things more so than the offense now. I just use a solid AI try to scout the best possible plays vs a team.

5) However Gerr is right about one thing, a no no team can hang with a boosted team because of all the changes Bort has made has finally trickled down and is effecting offenses to score. The passing bonus pretty much disappears at level 12 and pump fakes and fakes in general have become very limited and non existent in the playoffs. I'd be more than happy to let Jackson5555 completely run Short Bus and I'll make the players for him and boost and see if he can walk away with a championship. 90 plus speed Wrs, Hbs etc just do not beat 75 speed Cbs anymore. 90 strength offensive lineman just don't beat 70 strength defensive lineman anymore.


1. If I remember correctly, I only got some limited CEQ on the day of the championship game simply because GB had, but was a pure no-no team up until that point, including the scrims against CWLB.

2. Exactly my point, stock offense vs stock offense for those scrims.

3. I have my builds posted from AZ's S30 season in Thunder's PW Guide. I just checked my S30 defensive guide post on my Bears and they are very similar, within a few SP's for the most part, so AZ did follow the same build guide as CWLB in S30. However, you are correct in that I controlled the builds on AZ where other agents were following the build guide on CWLB, which could lead to differences if they didn't follow the build guide exactly. But for the most part, I believe most agents at least got to my playoff goals, so builds were in the same ball park.

4. You have always been one of the best if not the best offensive coordinators in PW. But I do have to agree that a solid defense at this level can shut down even some of the best offenses. That's why it took me so dam long to come up with a game plan that actually worked against Jkid2's defense, but there was a lot of luck too. Like I said in a previous post, doing that took way too long and it nearly burned me out doing so. Ya it got me the championship, but the drive for another is very low at the moment.

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Wait, you bought custom vs me season 30? lol, I unequipped mine so that we could both be No/No.
 
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Well all the more I can say it was one hell of an ending for me.



 
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Originally posted by awsalick
Wait, you bought custom vs me season 30? lol, I unequipped mine so that we could both be No/No.


If I remember right, just on my TE's, but might have been a couple more, just don't remember. Makes your win all that more impressive!
 
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I'm not getting in the middle of this but EVERYONE here has the ability to do the exact same thing Gerr does as you can easily get a team in a different level. Whether you have the financial means is irrelevant. It's not like he is hacking into your AI and copying/pasting. He is taking the time to dissect it by watching the games and recreating it.

 
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Originally posted by Seric
I'm not getting in the middle of this but EVERYONE here has the ability to do the exact same thing Gerr does as you can easily get a team in a different level. Whether you have the financial means is irrelevant. It's not like he is hacking into your AI and copying/pasting. He is taking the time to dissect it by watching the games and recreating it.



....he says as he gets in the middle of it....
 
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Originally posted by awsalick
Wait, you bought custom vs me season 30? lol, I unequipped mine so that we could both be No/No.


Awsalick......you know that's a no no.
 
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Originally posted by Gerr
I looked things over, there are 2 more owners with TWO teams in PWG besides jkid2 & myself, so it's becoming more popular.


It's becoming popular because less and less people give a crap, which is sad. PWG w/ all the competition like 10 seasons ago was awesome. Even if you weren't in playoffs, the games were always interesting.

Originally posted by Gerr
Old school style of thinking and just isn't true anymore. Last season when my AZ Cards was a pure no-no team, I often scrimmed my full-full CWLB team which used the exactly same defense and defensive builds, but used LE's superior offense. There was no game planning, just simple defensive tagging and the teams played each other 13 times. CWLB won 7 of them and AZ won 6 of them, nearly a 50-50 split! In those 13 games, CWLB scored a total of 185 points and AZ scored a total of 202 points! Care to explain that?


Idc what your scrim experiment shows, if you have 3 levels + CEQ, your primary and most likely secondaries will be higher. You will have better numbers. If you can't beat a team with that kind of advantage, you're doing it wrong. The sim may not favor boosted teams as much, but there is still an advantage.



Originally posted by LordEvil


5) However Gerr is right about one thing, a no no team can hang with a boosted team because of all the changes Bort has made has finally trickled down and is effecting offenses to score. The passing bonus pretty much disappears at level 12 and pump fakes and fakes in general have become very limited and non existent in the playoffs. I'd be more than happy to let Jackson5555 completely run Short Bus and I'll make the players for him and boost and see if he can walk away with a championship. 90 plus speed Wrs, Hbs etc just do not beat 75 speed Cbs anymore. 90 strength offensive lineman just don't beat 70 strength defensive lineman anymore.


I did 5 minutes of loading in old plays last season on New Orleans and that was painful. I'd rather just train players on our long-term team and make accusations/assumptions/deductions mixed with insults and quips on a league I don't play in anymore.
 
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RIP Stoner

Remember when it was just him and Lunch Box that was the only thing wrong with PWG?
 
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Originally posted by Nif
RIP Stoner

Remember when it was just him and Lunch Box that was the only thing wrong with PWG?


Lunch Box was OK.......
 
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Stoner was at his best when he DCd Bleeds team (Project Pee-Wee or w/e, idr exact name) and they went 15-1. Stoner talked so much shit that season, it was great. Then jkid? I think knocked him out of playoffs. Never seen all of PWG unified against one person like that.
 
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