I've already discussed it with Catch. Usually I do eventually get this stuff fixed, it just takes a while.
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when I played football, we'd usually start with a HB sweep. And called it every play until the other team's defense proved they could stop it. just sayin.
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Well, I'm clearly late to the party... but after reading a couple pages of this, I have a couple thoughts.
First, questioning the integrity of a team that uses mostly plays that work better than most in the playoffs, is pretty much bullshit. Winning is the only consideration at this point. Yeah, 1Back WR screen is the most difficult play to defend this season due to several factors, primarily the increased screen pass quality and secondarily the fact that you can have any tagged personnel in the game when it's called and it won't affect the results... however, it can still be defended, and if you watch the Korb/So Cal game today, you'll see So Cal had an output that worked great, though doing so does leave you open to several other plays from the formation. The FB screen can also be defended (easier), and like any gameplan as a DC, if you're not prepared with the proper outputs to defend the danger plays with some auto-adjust to improve your defensive playcalls as the game progresses, you have to take some responsibility for the loss.
Second, I'm pretty sure every time I offered advice to our OC this season, it included "throw more WR screens."
Third, if I was DCing and we lost a playoff game with the opposition running 34 weak side screens, I would consider it lame and be pissed about it despite knowing it is a legitimate strategy. Moreso if they ran it into my defenses built for those plays... but more likely if those defenses were working, their autoadjust would go away from it (else lol), or the defenses were poorly designed, so it's once again on me.
First, questioning the integrity of a team that uses mostly plays that work better than most in the playoffs, is pretty much bullshit. Winning is the only consideration at this point. Yeah, 1Back WR screen is the most difficult play to defend this season due to several factors, primarily the increased screen pass quality and secondarily the fact that you can have any tagged personnel in the game when it's called and it won't affect the results... however, it can still be defended, and if you watch the Korb/So Cal game today, you'll see So Cal had an output that worked great, though doing so does leave you open to several other plays from the formation. The FB screen can also be defended (easier), and like any gameplan as a DC, if you're not prepared with the proper outputs to defend the danger plays with some auto-adjust to improve your defensive playcalls as the game progresses, you have to take some responsibility for the loss.
Second, I'm pretty sure every time I offered advice to our OC this season, it included "throw more WR screens."
Third, if I was DCing and we lost a playoff game with the opposition running 34 weak side screens, I would consider it lame and be pissed about it despite knowing it is a legitimate strategy. Moreso if they ran it into my defenses built for those plays... but more likely if those defenses were working, their autoadjust would go away from it (else lol), or the defenses were poorly designed, so it's once again on me.
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Originally posted by RandomBeast
when I played football, we'd usually start with a HB sweep. And called it every play until the other team's defense proved they could stop it. just sayin.
Which is why I'd like the RPP to kick in earlier on screens and affect how often defenders recognize it. The idea of any team in "real football" being able to run the same screen ten times in a game, much less 24, is laughable. Fix that, the catch location, and some of the defender reactions (them being hard-coded to stand back and wait for blockers to engage is idiotic).
when I played football, we'd usually start with a HB sweep. And called it every play until the other team's defense proved they could stop it. just sayin.
Which is why I'd like the RPP to kick in earlier on screens and affect how often defenders recognize it. The idea of any team in "real football" being able to run the same screen ten times in a game, much less 24, is laughable. Fix that, the catch location, and some of the defender reactions (them being hard-coded to stand back and wait for blockers to engage is idiotic).
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Originally posted by Ratphlegm
First, questioning the integrity of a team that uses mostly plays that work better than most in the playoffs, is pretty much bullshit. Winning is the only consideration at this point.
For some people, winning is the only thing that matters, especially those who never played real sports and therefore never learned any life lessons about conducting yourself with integrity. Of course there are also some who play/played real sports who will do anything to win also, which is why you get guys who try to hurt opponents or grab their junk in piles, etc. But again, bhall apologized for the gameplan precisely because he didn't want to win this way either. It is bush league and everyone knows it. It's cheap, and it's not the game we're paying for. Bhall wants to win by putting together a legitimate gameplan and calling a variety of plays that beat the defense. He's done that to me before and I'm sure he will again, but this wasn't one of those times.
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however, it can still be defended, and if you watch the Korb/So Cal game today, you'll see So Cal had an output that worked great, though doing so does leave you open to several other plays from the formation.
The one and only thing that will even have a chance of defending the WR screen is dropping the RDE into that flat, and even that only works sporadically as evidenced by the fact that I actually used that in all short yardage situations. Even doubling the WR1 does nothing whatsoever because Bort coded that screen ridiculously, so it will often be caught in front of the line of scrimmage (meaning it's not actually a screen, but rather offensive pass interference), and the defenders aren't allowed to come up and cover the WR1 before the pass. But having the RDE spend every Singleback play out in the weak flat is not a legitimate solution. That would never, ever happen in "real football," and making that a requirement for any defense against the formation makes the game less fun for DCs and the owners of those DEs.
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Third, if I was DCing and we lost a playoff game with the opposition running 34 weak side screens, I would consider it lame and be pissed about it despite knowing it is a legitimate strategy.
It's not a legitimate strategy. No one in the entire World League season ran that many screens, and again, bhall apologized for the gameplan. It's amazing how so many people are too dense to grasp that.
First, questioning the integrity of a team that uses mostly plays that work better than most in the playoffs, is pretty much bullshit. Winning is the only consideration at this point.
For some people, winning is the only thing that matters, especially those who never played real sports and therefore never learned any life lessons about conducting yourself with integrity. Of course there are also some who play/played real sports who will do anything to win also, which is why you get guys who try to hurt opponents or grab their junk in piles, etc. But again, bhall apologized for the gameplan precisely because he didn't want to win this way either. It is bush league and everyone knows it. It's cheap, and it's not the game we're paying for. Bhall wants to win by putting together a legitimate gameplan and calling a variety of plays that beat the defense. He's done that to me before and I'm sure he will again, but this wasn't one of those times.
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however, it can still be defended, and if you watch the Korb/So Cal game today, you'll see So Cal had an output that worked great, though doing so does leave you open to several other plays from the formation.
The one and only thing that will even have a chance of defending the WR screen is dropping the RDE into that flat, and even that only works sporadically as evidenced by the fact that I actually used that in all short yardage situations. Even doubling the WR1 does nothing whatsoever because Bort coded that screen ridiculously, so it will often be caught in front of the line of scrimmage (meaning it's not actually a screen, but rather offensive pass interference), and the defenders aren't allowed to come up and cover the WR1 before the pass. But having the RDE spend every Singleback play out in the weak flat is not a legitimate solution. That would never, ever happen in "real football," and making that a requirement for any defense against the formation makes the game less fun for DCs and the owners of those DEs.
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Third, if I was DCing and we lost a playoff game with the opposition running 34 weak side screens, I would consider it lame and be pissed about it despite knowing it is a legitimate strategy.
It's not a legitimate strategy. No one in the entire World League season ran that many screens, and again, bhall apologized for the gameplan. It's amazing how so many people are too dense to grasp that.
Originally posted by jdbolick
Take your own advice.
excuse me as I cry for 9 pages
Take your own advice.
excuse me as I cry for 9 pages
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bolick if you were selling out to stop the screens, then Providence might need a new DC next season
and honestly I'm a bit disappointed in bhall for apologizing... come on dude
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Lincoln had the better gameplan
and honestly I'm a bit disappointed in bhall for apologizing... come on dude
Originally posted by most people
Lincoln had the better gameplan
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Originally posted by JTsNiners
excuse me as I cry for 9 pages
Yeah, I did that all by myself and wasn't responding to anyone else. It amazes me that people like you lack the intelligence to understand that you're causing the very thing you claim to want ended.
excuse me as I cry for 9 pages
Yeah, I did that all by myself and wasn't responding to anyone else. It amazes me that people like you lack the intelligence to understand that you're causing the very thing you claim to want ended.
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Yeah, I did that all by myself and wasn't responding to anyone else. It amazes me that people like you lack the intelligence to understand that you're causing the very thing you claim to want ended.
only thing I want to end is your bitch fest.
Just man up and say your screen Ds didn't do the job and move on.
Yeah, I did that all by myself and wasn't responding to anyone else. It amazes me that people like you lack the intelligence to understand that you're causing the very thing you claim to want ended.
only thing I want to end is your bitch fest.
Just man up and say your screen Ds didn't do the job and move on.
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bolick if you were selling out to stop the screens, then Providence might need a new DC next season
Clearly I am a terrible DC. Why don't you tell everyone how great you are while you're at it?
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and honestly I'm a bit disappointed in bhall for apologizing... come on dude
He apologized because he's a great OC and he wants to win by putting together a great gameplan, not by cheesing broken plays. I'm the same way as a DC.
bolick if you were selling out to stop the screens, then Providence might need a new DC next season
Clearly I am a terrible DC. Why don't you tell everyone how great you are while you're at it?
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and honestly I'm a bit disappointed in bhall for apologizing... come on dude
He apologized because he's a great OC and he wants to win by putting together a great gameplan, not by cheesing broken plays. I'm the same way as a DC.
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Originally posted by jdbolick
The one and only thing that will even have a chance of defending the WR screen is dropping the RDE into that flat, and even that only works sporadically as evidenced by the fact that I actually used that in all short yardage situations. Even doubling the WR1 does nothing whatsoever because Bort coded that screen ridiculously, so it will often be caught in front of the line of scrimmage (meaning it's not actually a screen, but rather offensive pass interference), and the defenders aren't allowed to come up and cover the WR1 before the pass. But having the RDE spend every Singleback play out in the weak flat is not a legitimate solution. That would never, ever happen in "real football," and making that a requirement for any defense against the formation makes the game less fun for DCs and the owners of those DEs.
While I don't think I would ever do what you are doing right now and I don't really want to be involved in this, I agree with everything you said here. The Weak I WR screen is coded pretty well because it can be effective if the WR breaks a tackle, but it doesn't require the defense to completely sell out to stop one play and it can be stopped for a loss.
The SB play requires at least 3 dots, usually 4, to have any chance to contain it and it is impossible to stop for a loss, which means you have a broken play. Along with the guaranteed positive yardage you have the guaranteed firing of YAC attack stacking with quick feet/spin/slippery/BT% gear. It's a tough situation without many options other than to flood the area with the RDE, keep the FS back to hopefully pick up the pieces and pray.
The one and only thing that will even have a chance of defending the WR screen is dropping the RDE into that flat, and even that only works sporadically as evidenced by the fact that I actually used that in all short yardage situations. Even doubling the WR1 does nothing whatsoever because Bort coded that screen ridiculously, so it will often be caught in front of the line of scrimmage (meaning it's not actually a screen, but rather offensive pass interference), and the defenders aren't allowed to come up and cover the WR1 before the pass. But having the RDE spend every Singleback play out in the weak flat is not a legitimate solution. That would never, ever happen in "real football," and making that a requirement for any defense against the formation makes the game less fun for DCs and the owners of those DEs.
While I don't think I would ever do what you are doing right now and I don't really want to be involved in this, I agree with everything you said here. The Weak I WR screen is coded pretty well because it can be effective if the WR breaks a tackle, but it doesn't require the defense to completely sell out to stop one play and it can be stopped for a loss.
The SB play requires at least 3 dots, usually 4, to have any chance to contain it and it is impossible to stop for a loss, which means you have a broken play. Along with the guaranteed positive yardage you have the guaranteed firing of YAC attack stacking with quick feet/spin/slippery/BT% gear. It's a tough situation without many options other than to flood the area with the RDE, keep the FS back to hopefully pick up the pieces and pray.
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Originally posted by JTsNiners
only thing I want to end is your bitch fest.
So you're admitting that you do lack the intelligence to realize that attacking me is not going to cause me to stop posting. Kudos, I guess.
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Just man up and say your screen Ds didn't do the job and move on.
Originally posted by jdbolick
The one and only thing that will even have a chance of defending the WR screen is dropping the RDE into that flat, and even that only works sporadically as evidenced by the fact that I actually used that in all short yardage situations. Even doubling the WR1 does nothing whatsoever because Bort coded that screen ridiculously, so it will often be caught in front of the line of scrimmage (meaning it's not actually a screen, but rather offensive pass interference), and the defenders aren't allowed to come up and cover the WR1 before the pass. But having the RDE spend every Singleback play out in the weak flat is not a legitimate solution. That would never, ever happen in "real football," and making that a requirement for any defense against the formation makes the game less fun for DCs and the owners of those DEs.
only thing I want to end is your bitch fest.
So you're admitting that you do lack the intelligence to realize that attacking me is not going to cause me to stop posting. Kudos, I guess.
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Just man up and say your screen Ds didn't do the job and move on.
Originally posted by jdbolick
The one and only thing that will even have a chance of defending the WR screen is dropping the RDE into that flat, and even that only works sporadically as evidenced by the fact that I actually used that in all short yardage situations. Even doubling the WR1 does nothing whatsoever because Bort coded that screen ridiculously, so it will often be caught in front of the line of scrimmage (meaning it's not actually a screen, but rather offensive pass interference), and the defenders aren't allowed to come up and cover the WR1 before the pass. But having the RDE spend every Singleback play out in the weak flat is not a legitimate solution. That would never, ever happen in "real football," and making that a requirement for any defense against the formation makes the game less fun for DCs and the owners of those DEs.
Edited by jdbolick on Feb 20, 2011 20:46:41
Originally posted by jdros13
While I don't think I would ever do what you are doing right now and I don't really want to be involved in this, I agree with everything you said here. The Weak I WR screen is coded pretty well because it can be effective if the WR breaks a tackle, but it doesn't require the defense to completely sell out to stop one play and it can be stopped for a loss.
The SB play requires at least 3 dots, usually 4, to have any chance to contain it and it is impossible to stop for a loss, which means you have a broken play. Along with the guaranteed positive yardage you have the guaranteed firing of YAC attack stacking with quick feet/spin/slippery/BT% gear. It's a tough situation without many options other than to flood the area with the RDE, keep the FS back to hopefully pick up the pieces and pray.
this is all true.
But it's not like the screen got recoded last night and was some mystery today. We live and adapt with what we've got. Is it a mess? Sure, but it's been that way for enough weeks to be able to make a D to stop it.
While I don't think I would ever do what you are doing right now and I don't really want to be involved in this, I agree with everything you said here. The Weak I WR screen is coded pretty well because it can be effective if the WR breaks a tackle, but it doesn't require the defense to completely sell out to stop one play and it can be stopped for a loss.
The SB play requires at least 3 dots, usually 4, to have any chance to contain it and it is impossible to stop for a loss, which means you have a broken play. Along with the guaranteed positive yardage you have the guaranteed firing of YAC attack stacking with quick feet/spin/slippery/BT% gear. It's a tough situation without many options other than to flood the area with the RDE, keep the FS back to hopefully pick up the pieces and pray.
this is all true.
But it's not like the screen got recoded last night and was some mystery today. We live and adapt with what we've got. Is it a mess? Sure, but it's been that way for enough weeks to be able to make a D to stop it.
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