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Watch this cartoon. It is over 55 years old. 8:45 mark is interesting

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fqq4_9aGr6U

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
Yes it was/is. However the Libs do not let facts or logic get in the way of their opinions. This post would be labeled racist, sexist, and homophobic and their subjects would blindly eat it up. Sadly this is very counterproductive to their subjects.

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Originally posted by HayRow
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that isnt 100% facts those are also opinions on how he feels they would be labeled.

Originally posted by dredgar
that isnt 100% facts those are also opinions on how he feels they would be labeled.

weird, don't recall me saying those were facts?

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
I can agree with Ty in part.... the Media needs ratings. It's how they make their money, controversy creates cash, etc. That being said, they create fallacies. You hear about a plane crash where all the passengers die, flying is unsafe...yet, that's not true... Statically, it's about the safest way to travel there is. Basic psychology.

I'm very pragmatic. I like facts, sources, and statistics to make my mind up or whatever theory or view I take on a topic instead of getting emotional and firing off. I don't like to be manipulated when it comes to these views so I often try to do research if I take an interest.

The whole kneeling started as a protest vs police brutality towards blacks as we know sparked by Ferguson and subsequent others after. So statistically speaking, are police racists? I believe in 2013 more whites were killed by cops than blacks, however we know that whites are the population majority. When we break it down by population, I recall it came down to blacks being more likely to be shot by cops than whites with a 3 to 1 ratio or something like that. However, the next statistic was that blacks were overwhelmingly committing more crimes and thus increasing their encounters with the cops which upped the amount of brutality chances. If you dig deep enough you can find these stats or watch some Pragur vids (while right leaning they use lots of stats to at least push their PoV such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCQFH5wOJo).

Other interesting facts:

"Some may argue that these statistics are evidence of racist treatment toward blacks, since whites consist of 62 percent of the population and blacks make up 13 percent of the population. But according to The Wall Street Journal, 2009 statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62% of robberies, 57% of murders and 45% of assaults in the 75 largest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15% of the population in these counties.

Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene.

Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This is according to FBI data, which also found that 40 percent of cop killers are black. According to Heather Mac Donald during a speech at Hillsdale College, the police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an unarmed black person."

The majority of these incidents come from poor communities where officers are more often to encounter crime. As mentioned earlier, I agree that I think it's an issue with wealth and social standing more so than race in my opinion just in the statistics I've seen. Drive a nicer car, live in a nicer neighborhood, etc etc and you are less likely to be messed with. I was born and raised in the 4th poorest county in the entire United States in southeast Kentucky and they have no problem messing with you if you're poor. I got pulled over for inane stuff like having a dirty license plate (I lived up a damn holler. WTF. Really?) or they saw me leave a store after buying a bag of ice thinking I had just bought beer from a bootlegger. All that changed when I got out and went to college and made a better life for myself elsewhere.

The only thing I don't care for is the whole white privilege thing when it's brought up in this argument. It never takes into account Appalachia. People there wouldn't know privilege if it jumped up and kicked them in the ass. Inner cities have it way better than these people as a whole and it kinda wrecks that theory when they suffer the same problems.

I am in no way saying that racism does not exist, but I believe this issue comes down to social class wealth in this current day and time unlike years past based on raw data. As a Libertarian I support their right to take a knee (kudos for peaceful a protest), however I feel its divisive. I think the Cowboys handled it the best so far kneeling before hand and then standing during...how can you even fault that no matter what side? My biggest complaint is that I feel the NFL is hypocritical, having Goodell come out and support kneeling when he squashed every other protests most of these same players wanted to do for such things as domestic violence, breast cancer (outside of the few pink games), 9-11, the 5 cops killed in Dallas during the BLM protest, etc etc. Who cares if they put a sticker on the back of their helmet? And don't get me started on how much shit Tebow took for his kneeling, like when NBC said he was polarizing for doing it because he was praying (fuck off Liberal Media for that).

Anyways, I debated if I would even interject into this thread again and hope I don't regret doing so.


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Originally posted by Rob.
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Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
LOL, you dick.

Lol...had to make it a bit more light hearted. All the debate is getting tiresome.

Originally posted by Rob.
Lol...had to make it a bit more light hearted. All the debate is getting tiresome.

Yeah its why I hesitated... I get it so much on FB and everywhere else I look that I'm kinda worn down on politics. I just want to play some ball here... Hell, my KY Wildcats actually look like they got a decent team for the first time in like a decade.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
My biggest problem is the hypocrisy being shown over the issue.

When the Cowboys wanted to protest in honor of the 5 cops shot dead during the BLM rally, the league shut them down. When players wanted to put stickers on their helmet to protest in honor of 9/11, the league said no. When players wanted to do such to bring awareness for domestic violence and breast cancer (outside of the few games they wear pink), the league said no. When Tebow was kneeling for prayer, he got a lot of grief while in the NFL...he's in minor league baseball and is still catching it over it.

I'm a Scotch-Irish Libertarian who leans Right and a Constitutionalist. I believe it's their right to kneel as their freedom of speech, but they are also employees whose boss can dictate if that's allowed I think...either way, while it is peaceful, it is also divisive or we wouldn't be even having this conversation.

Lastly, while this thread should prob be moved, it is creating some activity here in General.



I am also a right leaning libeterian. I also served U.S. Navy. I don't like the kneeling at all I think there are better ways to bring awareness to any issue. This isn't black or white to me it's an American thing too many have fought and died for people right to protest don't protest during the anthem please don't speak of income inequality when you make more in a game than most people make in 10 or more years. The libeterian in me though agrees people have the right to protest peacefully and non violently all they like that's what makes America great. On the other hand if people don't agree with your protest and say it's a violation of free speech then don't violate Thier free speech by oppressing Thier point of view double stand to me and don't even throw the race card over this. I personally am done watching the NFL this season that's my protest. If they kneel and people don't go or watch the games on TV that is the consequences of Thier actions so kneel all you want that's fine by me its a free country.

Originally posted by holt1dj
please don't speak of income inequality when you make more in a game than most people make in 10 or more years.

Stepping outside the whole kneeling issue. I don't understand when this argument is thrown out there. The players are clearly not saying they feel like they are receiving a less than equal income. Are you saying you don't want NFL players, or anyone influential really, using their platform to raise awareness on issues they believe in?

I'm saying they have the resources to do something about it besides the fact I can't stand celebrities and Thier need to express Thier opinions which would fine but they have no tolerance on a different view point none at all. Idc if they kneel sit stay in locker room thats Thier right but don't condemn me if I don't agree. I just think there is a better way to go about this. Everything is polarized this doesn't help things at all.

It is always divide divide divide kinda tired of it. The media government or people of power will never allow unity otherwise there would be no need for them. I don't care how much celebrities/athletes make either it's just hard to swallow when they are talking about income inequality. They get paid a Kings ransom to play a game sing act ect....entertain me don't peach on the field like that off the field do whatever man just let me watch the game without throwing things in my face.

Who gets to decide what is or isn't considered disrespectful or offensive? Maybe I find it offensive and disrespectful for people to put the flag on their back of their trucks or wear it as clothing.

It all goes back to the media and powers that be. They want division and chaos.

Think about it. All the NFL had to do was not show Kap the first time and move on. But instead, they kept talking about it and then made a fucking point to keep showing it on tv each week.

This shit goes much deeper than kneeling at games. It is part of a global agenda. If you can't see through all the crap going on, then pull your head out of the sand.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
It all goes back to the media and powers that be. They want division and chaos.

Think about it. All the NFL had to do was not show Kap the first time and move on. But instead, they kept talking about it and then made a fucking point to keep showing it on tv each week.

This shit goes much deeper than kneeling at games. It is part of a global agenda. If you can't see through all the crap going on, then pull your head out of the sand.

Maybe they need to bury their head lower. Like, basement depth?