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Originally posted by bhall43
Sounds like a lot of work for nothing.

It'll be fun. It'll lead to much snarkiness.

That's all that matters

Originally posted by Xavori
Well, I'm going to be an OC on a rookie team, and I've already built an offense that I'm 99.9% sure will never give up a sack to DAG.

I've also built the 100% DAG-Free Defense™ for that team.

It'll be a fascinating experiment.

So a rush heavy offense with no passing on 3rd and Long? Other than that, I don't see how you could be that sure of yourself unless you just plan on eliminating some formations completely.

I mean in that the sim is probably going to change. This is like building an offense around Storm Brave from season 1.

Originally posted by bhall43
I mean in that the sim is probably going to change. This is like building an offense around Storm Brave from season 1.

I know. One of the reasons why I'm so willing to just throw away what has been a very successful defense is that I don't expect S3 defenses to work the same as S2 defenses which means I'll have to learn everything all over again anyway.

I also have a crazy dream where offenses get formation-based depth charts the same as defenses have, but since I can come up with a whole list of challenges that would have to be overcome for that change, I'm not going to hold my breath.

Originally posted by Xavori

I also have a crazy dream where offenses get formation-based depth charts the same as defenses have, but since I can come up with a whole list of challenges that would have to be overcome for that change, I'm not going to hold my breath.

That is absolutely ngth because that is what it was like on the test server and Bort didn't like the way we were manipulating it.

Originally posted by bhall43
That is absolutely ngth because that is what it was like on the test server and Bort didn't like the way we were manipulating it.

Running QB out of the Pro Set, Passing QB out of the I set, and no way for defense to deal with it in GLB2. Thank god it's NGTH.

Originally posted by pottsman
Running QB out of the Pro Set, Passing QB out of the I set, and no way for defense to deal with it in GLB2. Thank god it's NGTH.

Ya it got all sorts of ridiculous between the I forms and Pro set with blocking/running players and receiving/passing players. It gets especially lulzy when you realize you dont need backups.

Originally posted by pottsman
Running QB out of the Pro Set, Passing QB out of the I set, and no way for defense to deal with it in GLB2. Thank god it's NGTH.

Plus, by flip flopping your lineups you can drastically reduce morale and fatigue effects.

And again, these are only a few of the challenges such things would present.

Originally posted by Parab00n
That offense is extremely high risk vs DAG, just because it worked for you a few times in a row doesn't mean it became how every game was going to play out. Your QB lost 20+ morale the first time he got sacked. He played fine for a couple plays and got sacked again, down to 70 morale. No matter how fast your quick hitting offense is in this sim, if its 3rd and 10 against DAG you are probably gonna give up the sack.


It's the little things that add up in this game. Many people underestimate those "little things".

So some food for thought.... out of 203 games and 1316 sacks occurred in those games (All Sophomore fwiw)

To no surprise Top 5 plays that result in sacks.

1. 335 DAG (123)
2. 335 Man OLB Fire (100)
3. 425 2 Man Under (74)
4. 4-4 Zero Edge Blitz (66)
5. 416 2 Man Under (65)

These 5 plays account for 32% of all sacks. There were 124 defensive plays that resulted in a sack.

If we break it up by down....

1. 335 DAG 3rd down (62)
2. 335 Man OLB Fire 3rd down (47)
3. 335 DAG 1st down (35)
4. 4-4 Zero Edge Blitz 3rd down (34)
5. 416 2 Man Under 3rd down (30)

Last but not least sacks for downs

1. 3rd Down (591)
2. 1st Down (355)
3. 2nd Down (324)
4. 4th Down (46)

Originally posted by Stobie
So some food for thought.... out of 203 games and 1316 sacks occurred in those games (All Sophomore fwiw)

To no surprise Top 5 plays that result in sacks.

1. 335 DAG (123)
2. 335 Man OLB Fire (100)
3. 425 2 Man Under (74)
4. 4-4 Zero Edge Blitz (66)
5. 416 2 Man Under (65)

These 5 plays account for 32% of all sacks. There were 124 defensive plays that resulted in a sack.

If we break it up by down....

1. 335 DAG 3rd down (62)
2. 335 Man OLB Fire 3rd down (47)
3. 335 DAG 1st down (35)
4. 4-4 Zero Edge Blitz 3rd down (34)
5. 416 2 Man Under 3rd down (30)

Last but not least sacks for downs

1. 3rd Down (591)
2. 1st Down (355)
3. 2nd Down (324)
4. 4th Down (46)



lol, nice

Originally posted by Xavori
Actually, looking through the champ games, it's looking more and more like pass-first teams are all losing a lot, and it's kinda odd.

One of the teams I coach that has an offense that usually beats DAG 100% of the time gave up 24 sacks.

On top of that, I just went through all the championships that have simmed, and there is a really worrisome indicator. The team with more rushing yards won an overwhelming number of times.

Sophomore: Most Rushing Yards is a perfect indicator so far. Of the 9 champs that have simmed already, all 9 teams with the most rushing yards won.

Rookie: Most Rushing Yards is an overwhelming indicator. 10 of the 13 games were won by the team with most rushing yards. Of the 3 outliers, all of them were primarily passing teams, and in only one game (Chicago 38yrd v Dyslexia 105 yrd), was the difference in yardage significant.

Um... don't you run the ball when you are winning? I wouldn't imagine there are too many times where the losing team outran the winning team in real life either.

Also, in the current sim, teams who committed to the run through rookie and soph, despite the dominance of the passing teams in the first 1.5 seasons, are now in a place where their dedication has given them an advantage in the meta game. More pancakes, more morale, more yards per carry, better push from the pile, etc.

I started building a run first team, but started to balance the builds a bit more, still leaning towards running. When passing lost its perfect 5WR underthrow plays, possession WRs and balanced QBs were able to get the ball out quickly while relying on the running game to pick up 1 to 4 yards once or twice a series.

Originally posted by Jampy2.0
Close but no cigar, if you look closely at what one would consider "upsets" or losses that coulda/shoulda gone the other way, it was through negligence by the losing DC..

These playoffs have been unsuspecting teams beating the crap out of DAG/ZEB and the DOGs blitzes...

evidence goes from Sunday Funday, to Alpine all the way down to Zorp in rookie. DAG/ZEB or any of the dogs blitzes just don't win championships.

Or your opponent can go to the cabin and not even account for you just keeping your same blitzes in...

Originally posted by Time Trial
I started building a run first team, but started to balance the builds a bit more, still leaning towards running. When passing lost its perfect 5WR underthrow plays, possession WRs and balanced QBs were able to get the ball out quickly while relying on the running game to pick up 1 to 4 yards once or twice a series.

I am glad I didn't sell out my running game for an all out passing team. I went for balanced at the beginning, and glad I stayed with it.

Originally posted by Jampy2.0
Close but no cigar, if you look closely at what one would consider "upsets" or losses that coulda/shoulda gone the other way, it was through negligence by the losing DC..

These playoffs have been unsuspecting teams beating the crap out of DAG/ZEB and the DOGs blitzes...

evidence goes from Sunday Funday, to Alpine all the way down to Zorp in rookie. DAG/ZEB or any of the dogs blitzes just don't win championships.

Or your opponent can go to the cabin and not even account for you just keeping your same blitzes in...Originally posted by bhall43
Sounds like a lot of work for nothing.

Yeah, I'd wait until the offseason changes.