well, I never said I wasn't a whore....
and pretty much everything I do is "lengthy"
and pretty much everything I do is "lengthy"
Edited by iStoner on Apr 11, 2011 18:59:05
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Originally posted by iStoner
You are just wrong ManOg, without EDB helping me I never would have known a damn thing about this game as far as peewee coordinating (while he wasn't actually Gold at the time... the fact remains someone knowing something taught me) if your really under the impression people helping people is causing the game to suck... NOT the fact that most of the leagues are over half cpu.... then you are seriously misguided.
pretty much everything that I know about this game is self taught, and I know that I don't know the best methods about everything ...I never whored myself around, unlike a lot of you guys! ...I don't copy plays from other teams! ...I pretty much kept my coordinating efforts to one team, whilst still running my own team to test things out on and learn by trial and error! ...yeah it a slow way of learning but when i first started out, I had some guidance from the coaching staff on another team and I thank stwcjj for his efforts there and am grateful for that!
...hey you disagree with my opinions stoner and I expect to cop that from a lot here, but to state that I am misguided is a complete load of crap! ...if anything it is you that is misguided, coz I have remained true to my ideals since day one! ...I don't compromise myself for the sake of an easy ride! ...sure, you will learn quicker if you whore yourself around, but that doesn't mean that you should compromise teams that were generous enough to give you the opportunity of learning the craft through them in the first place! ...I think that coordinators that do that are putting themselves before the team! ...sure, make some players for a rival team if you must to learn better team structures and build plans, but don't forget where you got them from and think that you are so good coz you know how to rip information off teams, coz you didn't learn it on your own! ...by using what you learn from one team for another team in the same league is what is really wrong man, but I guess some of you are blinded by your own visions of grandeur!
You are just wrong ManOg, without EDB helping me I never would have known a damn thing about this game as far as peewee coordinating (while he wasn't actually Gold at the time... the fact remains someone knowing something taught me) if your really under the impression people helping people is causing the game to suck... NOT the fact that most of the leagues are over half cpu.... then you are seriously misguided.
pretty much everything that I know about this game is self taught, and I know that I don't know the best methods about everything ...I never whored myself around, unlike a lot of you guys! ...I don't copy plays from other teams! ...I pretty much kept my coordinating efforts to one team, whilst still running my own team to test things out on and learn by trial and error! ...yeah it a slow way of learning but when i first started out, I had some guidance from the coaching staff on another team and I thank stwcjj for his efforts there and am grateful for that!
...hey you disagree with my opinions stoner and I expect to cop that from a lot here, but to state that I am misguided is a complete load of crap! ...if anything it is you that is misguided, coz I have remained true to my ideals since day one! ...I don't compromise myself for the sake of an easy ride! ...sure, you will learn quicker if you whore yourself around, but that doesn't mean that you should compromise teams that were generous enough to give you the opportunity of learning the craft through them in the first place! ...I think that coordinators that do that are putting themselves before the team! ...sure, make some players for a rival team if you must to learn better team structures and build plans, but don't forget where you got them from and think that you are so good coz you know how to rip information off teams, coz you didn't learn it on your own! ...by using what you learn from one team for another team in the same league is what is really wrong man, but I guess some of you are blinded by your own visions of grandeur!
Edited by ManOgwaR on Apr 12, 2011 06:27:35
Edited by ManOgwaR on Apr 12, 2011 06:20:25
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Woah, you don't even make sense... my point was not that people should go grab an OC/DC job for 100 teams to "learn" my point was that if EDB hadn't decided to help me out (in other words "whore" himself to me) that I wouldn't know what I know today, and you too just gave credit for someone helping you out.
I was only on one team ever for like the first 5 seasons of my peewee experience so your barking up the wrong tree.
I only disagree with you on the notion that you explicitly stated that reducing the number of silver and copper leagues would not promote new players actually learning the game, in which case you are clearly misguided.
End of story, competition=effort to get better... and you've yet to have even a remotely valid point to counter that statement.
But keep on whining about losing to Gold coordinators in Silver while ignoring what everyone else is saying.
I was only on one team ever for like the first 5 seasons of my peewee experience so your barking up the wrong tree.
I only disagree with you on the notion that you explicitly stated that reducing the number of silver and copper leagues would not promote new players actually learning the game, in which case you are clearly misguided.
End of story, competition=effort to get better... and you've yet to have even a remotely valid point to counter that statement.
But keep on whining about losing to Gold coordinators in Silver while ignoring what everyone else is saying.
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limiting the leagues is a band aid approach to a problem that you guys in gold have made for yourselves ...and it is the team owners that are to blame for it, so the team owners should be the ones to take responsibility for it and fix it!
Originally posted by iStoner
End of story, competition=effort to get better... and you've yet to have even a remotely valid point to counter that statement.
that is just an opinion, the same as mine! ...but to be competitive is easy to achieve in the lower lvl leagues! ...to be competitive in gold isn't! ...that is a valid enough point to add to the weight of the eagle's statement!
Originally posted by The Eagle
I was stuck in silver for nearly 10 seasons straight, never getting past the conference championship...but I only game planned a couple times a season, and then in playoffs. I learned more last season, in terms of strategy and planning, than I did in all those seasons of silver combined. Although, I never played in tournaments...I would have learned faster if I did that.
...I rest my case!
Originally posted by iStoner
End of story, competition=effort to get better... and you've yet to have even a remotely valid point to counter that statement.
that is just an opinion, the same as mine! ...but to be competitive is easy to achieve in the lower lvl leagues! ...to be competitive in gold isn't! ...that is a valid enough point to add to the weight of the eagle's statement!
Originally posted by The Eagle
I was stuck in silver for nearly 10 seasons straight, never getting past the conference championship...but I only game planned a couple times a season, and then in playoffs. I learned more last season, in terms of strategy and planning, than I did in all those seasons of silver combined. Although, I never played in tournaments...I would have learned faster if I did that.
...I rest my case!
Edited by ManOgwaR on Apr 12, 2011 11:53:06
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Originally posted by ManOgwaR
...Originally posted by The Eagle
I was stuck in silver for nearly 10 seasons straight, never getting past the conference championship...but I only game planned a couple times a season, and then in playoffs. I learned more last season, in terms of strategy and planning, than I did in all those seasons of silver combined. Although, I never played in tournaments...I would have learned faster if I did that.
I rest my case!
no...I was stuck there because I strongly insisted on being no/no and always lost to either Dead.Ed or a boosting team. I learned a lot from both, but the boosters were very hard to swallow since it wasn't necessarily decided based on skill.
Sorry I didn't make my point as clearly as I should have. I was trying to point out that I learned more in 1 season of gold than all those seasons of silver. So having to face gold coordinators in silver is the best possible way to get yourself good enough to compete in gold. Taking gold coordinators out of silver will just make silver easier, and make you look stupider when/if you make it to gold.
by you I mean the general coordinator...not specifically you, ManO.
...Originally posted by The Eagle
I was stuck in silver for nearly 10 seasons straight, never getting past the conference championship...but I only game planned a couple times a season, and then in playoffs. I learned more last season, in terms of strategy and planning, than I did in all those seasons of silver combined. Although, I never played in tournaments...I would have learned faster if I did that.
I rest my case!
no...I was stuck there because I strongly insisted on being no/no and always lost to either Dead.Ed or a boosting team. I learned a lot from both, but the boosters were very hard to swallow since it wasn't necessarily decided based on skill.
Sorry I didn't make my point as clearly as I should have. I was trying to point out that I learned more in 1 season of gold than all those seasons of silver. So having to face gold coordinators in silver is the best possible way to get yourself good enough to compete in gold. Taking gold coordinators out of silver will just make silver easier, and make you look stupider when/if you make it to gold.
by you I mean the general coordinator...not specifically you, ManO.
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Originally posted by The Eagle
no...I was stuck there because I strongly insisted on being no/no and always lost to either Dead.Ed or a boosting team. I learned a lot from both, but the boosters were very hard to swallow since it wasn't necessarily decided based on skill.
Sorry I didn't make my point as clearly as I should have. I was trying to point out that I learned more in 1 season of gold than all those seasons of silver. So having to face gold coordinators in silver is the best possible way to get yourself good enough to compete in gold. Taking gold coordinators out of silver will just make silver easier, and make you look stupider when/if you make it to gold.
by you I mean the general coordinator...not specifically you, ManO.
Agreed. When I was looking around the leagues for a team to buy where I could learn how to run a defense this season, I went through and bought a team in the league that had the most competition, where I would actually be facing good coordinators and be able to really test my defense rather than just easily shutting out the 50% QB runs in all but 2 league games like it would be in a lot of leagues. If you take out coordinators that are also coordinating in gold, you would be hard-pressed to find a league with more that 3-4 good teams, just to pull a number out of my ass. That doesn't make for good competition, that makes for laziness and sticking with the status quo.
no...I was stuck there because I strongly insisted on being no/no and always lost to either Dead.Ed or a boosting team. I learned a lot from both, but the boosters were very hard to swallow since it wasn't necessarily decided based on skill.
Sorry I didn't make my point as clearly as I should have. I was trying to point out that I learned more in 1 season of gold than all those seasons of silver. So having to face gold coordinators in silver is the best possible way to get yourself good enough to compete in gold. Taking gold coordinators out of silver will just make silver easier, and make you look stupider when/if you make it to gold.
by you I mean the general coordinator...not specifically you, ManO.
Agreed. When I was looking around the leagues for a team to buy where I could learn how to run a defense this season, I went through and bought a team in the league that had the most competition, where I would actually be facing good coordinators and be able to really test my defense rather than just easily shutting out the 50% QB runs in all but 2 league games like it would be in a lot of leagues. If you take out coordinators that are also coordinating in gold, you would be hard-pressed to find a league with more that 3-4 good teams, just to pull a number out of my ass. That doesn't make for good competition, that makes for laziness and sticking with the status quo.
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Originally posted by The Eagle
no...I was stuck there because I strongly insisted on being no/no and always lost to either Dead.Ed or a boosting team. I learned a lot from both, but the boosters were very hard to swallow since it wasn't necessarily decided based on skill.
Sorry I didn't make my point as clearly as I should have. I was trying to point out that I learned more in 1 season of gold than all those seasons of silver. So having to face gold coordinators in silver is the best possible way to get yourself good enough to compete in gold. Taking gold coordinators out of silver will just make silver easier, and make you look stupider when/if you make it to gold.
by you I mean the general coordinator...not specifically you, ManO.
you aren't expected to boost and custom EQ the team in gold by yourself for the privelage! ...have a look at how many coordinators do everything for their own team that they coordinate for ...it is very rare and they don't last very long! ..what I am saying it about you getting the opportunity of taking that next step, which SHINK was nice enough to have allowed you to do! ...there needs to be more of that to show coordinators in the lower leagues the next level of learning and what it takes to get there ...the point is that you prolly never would have taken that next step in peewee if you weren't offered the privelage! ...don't shy away from me using you as an example coz the reason that I used your situation is still a prime example!
#CORRECTION#
jkid has done it for a while now, but that really is breaking the mould!
no...I was stuck there because I strongly insisted on being no/no and always lost to either Dead.Ed or a boosting team. I learned a lot from both, but the boosters were very hard to swallow since it wasn't necessarily decided based on skill.
Sorry I didn't make my point as clearly as I should have. I was trying to point out that I learned more in 1 season of gold than all those seasons of silver. So having to face gold coordinators in silver is the best possible way to get yourself good enough to compete in gold. Taking gold coordinators out of silver will just make silver easier, and make you look stupider when/if you make it to gold.
by you I mean the general coordinator...not specifically you, ManO.
you aren't expected to boost and custom EQ the team in gold by yourself for the privelage! ...have a look at how many coordinators do everything for their own team that they coordinate for ...it is very rare and they don't last very long! ..what I am saying it about you getting the opportunity of taking that next step, which SHINK was nice enough to have allowed you to do! ...there needs to be more of that to show coordinators in the lower leagues the next level of learning and what it takes to get there ...the point is that you prolly never would have taken that next step in peewee if you weren't offered the privelage! ...don't shy away from me using you as an example coz the reason that I used your situation is still a prime example!
#CORRECTION#
jkid has done it for a while now, but that really is breaking the mould!
Edited by ManOgwaR on Apr 12, 2011 20:51:13
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Originally posted by ManOgwaR
you aren't expected to boost and custom EQ the team in gold by yourself for the privelage! ...have a look at how many coordinators do everything for their own team that they coordinate for ...it is very rare and they don't last very long! ..what I am saying it about you getting the opportunity of taking that next step, which SHINK was nice enough to have allowed you to do! ...there needs to be more of that to show coordinators in the lower leagues the next level of learning and what it takes to get there ...the point is that you prolly never would have taken that next step in peewee if you weren't offered the privelage! ...don't shy away from me using you as an example coz the reason that I used your situation is still a prime example!
it's cool man...just wanted to clear up the boosting part
and right...i owe Shink big time for the opportunity. And RK, too, because I know he has really helped me a lot in gold.
This pretty much shows where I was before Shink and RK:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1329209
If you would asked me after that game if I'd ever coordinate for these guys, I'd have said "hell no."
But after a few seasons off, I changed my mind 
Sure glad I did, too...
you aren't expected to boost and custom EQ the team in gold by yourself for the privelage! ...have a look at how many coordinators do everything for their own team that they coordinate for ...it is very rare and they don't last very long! ..what I am saying it about you getting the opportunity of taking that next step, which SHINK was nice enough to have allowed you to do! ...there needs to be more of that to show coordinators in the lower leagues the next level of learning and what it takes to get there ...the point is that you prolly never would have taken that next step in peewee if you weren't offered the privelage! ...don't shy away from me using you as an example coz the reason that I used your situation is still a prime example!
it's cool man...just wanted to clear up the boosting part
and right...i owe Shink big time for the opportunity. And RK, too, because I know he has really helped me a lot in gold.
This pretty much shows where I was before Shink and RK:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1329209
If you would asked me after that game if I'd ever coordinate for these guys, I'd have said "hell no."
But after a few seasons off, I changed my mind Sure glad I did, too...iStoner
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Here are a list of the things I think prevent people from taking the step up in coordinator quality:
1) Difficult to recruit (Most people can't afford to make their own team, and its impossible to recruit in peewee right now)
2) Lack of competition (Lets be honest, why bother to study and game plan when you can cruise control QB sweeps and go 10-2)
That is it.
We have a very warm and welcoming community (for the most part) that has plenty of us doing everything we can to help people out to get better. Essentially, if you have the desire to get better and a near-full roster then you are absolutely easily going to do just that... get better. Arguing otherwise is quite silly since there are tons of examples of just this thing.
Both 1 and 2 are very easily solved be reducing the number of Silver leagues.
I don't see how facing Gold coordinators in Silver in any way demotes someones ability to improve on the game, if anything it forces them to face at least 1 ass beating which hopefully will let them know (if they watch the game) that their cruise control tactics aren't the way to go.
Make 1 post in the forums and I PROMISE you will increase in ability just from that post because every one of us up here will dive right in to give you help wherever you need it.
1) Difficult to recruit (Most people can't afford to make their own team, and its impossible to recruit in peewee right now)
2) Lack of competition (Lets be honest, why bother to study and game plan when you can cruise control QB sweeps and go 10-2)
That is it.
We have a very warm and welcoming community (for the most part) that has plenty of us doing everything we can to help people out to get better. Essentially, if you have the desire to get better and a near-full roster then you are absolutely easily going to do just that... get better. Arguing otherwise is quite silly since there are tons of examples of just this thing.
Both 1 and 2 are very easily solved be reducing the number of Silver leagues.
I don't see how facing Gold coordinators in Silver in any way demotes someones ability to improve on the game, if anything it forces them to face at least 1 ass beating which hopefully will let them know (if they watch the game) that their cruise control tactics aren't the way to go.
Make 1 post in the forums and I PROMISE you will increase in ability just from that post because every one of us up here will dive right in to give you help wherever you need it.
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iStoner - a 3rd reason that could be added to your list is time constraints. I am a DC for a team my bro-in-law owns, but find it harf to get the time to actually game-plan. I simply go by the scout report GLB has set up and modify defensive scheme in 5 minutes. I have yet to build a playbook, advanced tactics just because I don't have the time to do it the way I think it should be done.
Edited by durettug on Apr 13, 2011 13:51:31
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Well, if you don't have the time then you won't ever be good.
Sorry but GLB is made for nerds who play upwards of 5-6 hours a day... as far as the extremely competitive side... and while I'm certain after 10 or so seasons of doing 1 play per day or however much you could manage... you would possibly put together a good offense or defense... but its not something that will ever put you in the Gold leagues.
Sorry but GLB is made for nerds who play upwards of 5-6 hours a day... as far as the extremely competitive side... and while I'm certain after 10 or so seasons of doing 1 play per day or however much you could manage... you would possibly put together a good offense or defense... but its not something that will ever put you in the Gold leagues.
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Originally posted by iStoner
Well, if you don't have the time then you won't ever be good.
Sorry but GLB is made for nerds who play upwards of 5-6 hours a day... as far as the extremely competitive side... and while I'm certain after 10 or so seasons of doing 1 play per day or however much you could manage... you would possibly put together a good offense or defense... but its not something that will ever put you in the Gold leagues.
That is very false...
I don't play even close to 5-6 hours during the week and not even close during the weekend either, im sure most of these guys dont.
Well, if you don't have the time then you won't ever be good.
Sorry but GLB is made for nerds who play upwards of 5-6 hours a day... as far as the extremely competitive side... and while I'm certain after 10 or so seasons of doing 1 play per day or however much you could manage... you would possibly put together a good offense or defense... but its not something that will ever put you in the Gold leagues.
That is very false...
I don't play even close to 5-6 hours during the week and not even close during the weekend either, im sure most of these guys dont.
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Originally posted by zmj44
That is very false...
I don't play even close to 5-6 hours during the week and not even close during the weekend either, im sure most of these guys dont.
I play maybe 2 hours a day on the weekdays if I'm lucky and maybe 3 on the weekends at most.
That is very false...
I don't play even close to 5-6 hours during the week and not even close during the weekend either, im sure most of these guys dont.
I play maybe 2 hours a day on the weekdays if I'm lucky and maybe 3 on the weekends at most.
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