Warrior General Games

Originally posted by NiborRis
Originally posted by GP1

Why do you keep saying this? Who didn't boost on their first season? The issue is the ADDITIONAL plateau boosts. Day 32-39 dots that boosted every single opportunity, will almost always not hit level 72 because they miss out on day 440 boosts. That's not the agents fault.

Built day 39, boosted to lvl 4, and didn't hit lvl 72? That's more than a build day issue - you can build day 41, boost to lvl 4, and reach 72 in your day 400 season, a whole season earlier than your day 440 boosts.

Anyway, just because I now fear people will think Im joking due to my last post, I'm not. You guys forget (or are fully aware and playing dumb), that XP gains aren't linear. You can't just sit there and say "no waaaaay, if you boosted you'd be +3 on your current level." That isnt true and you know it. XP gains slow down greatly. That 3x boost probably accounts for a +400XP gain over the course of a career. Not the 3 levels, as you're trying to convey. When you lose out on those plateau boosts, it screws you. You guys are flat out wrong here.

None of the following players missed any XP and boosted at EVERY OPPORTUNITY.

Day 44:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=867535
39 Boosts x 1000 = 39000
Total: 73453

HIT LEVEL 74 DUE TO PLATEAU BOOSTS

Day 0:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1175362
30 Boosts x 1000 = 30000
Total: 66407

WILL HIT LEVEL 73 WITH PLATEAU BOOSTS

Day 33:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1128464
33 Boosts x 1000 = 33000
Total: 67906

WOULD BE STUCK AT LEVEL 71 BECAUSE HE HAS NO PLATEAU BOOSTS

ITT: GP1's care meter is through the roof

Originally posted by Rusty Trombone
ITT: GP1's care meter is through the roof

Not so much about the GLB issue. I'm more upset about the fail logic.

Originally posted by GP1
Anyway, just because I now fear people will think Im joking due to my last post, I'm not. You guys forget (or are fully aware and playing dumb), that XP gains aren't linear. You can't just sit there and say "no waaaaay, if you boosted you'd be +3 on your current level." That isnt true and you know it. XP gains slow down greatly. That 3x boost probably accounts for a +400XP gain over the course of a career.

Build d41, boost to 4, next season XP gains take you to 12 (instead of 10) and you boost to 15(instead of 13).
The next season XP gains take you to 22, and you boost to 25(instead of 22-23).
The next season you don't have to boost early to get to 25 like a lot of dots will to get VXP. You end up about +2 levels at this point as lvl 1 unboosted dots will be lvl 25 with one boost level this season, while you are lvl 25 with 3 boosts left. End of the career, instead of being lvl 70 and some change at d400, you're lvl 72 and a little.

Again, I say - if you build day 39 and boosted to lvl 4, and didn't make 72, it's MORE than just a build day issue. You could have made it but you didn't earn enough max XP. These days max XP is WAAAAAAY easier so it's a lot less likely to fall short.

I haven't run the math, but I think you end up lvl 71 if you build day 39/41 and don't boost to 4, but then also don't boost early for lvl 25 and so on when the VXP rolls in. It may be possible to hit lvl 72 that way but I haven't run the math - I think you fall short, PLUS you're out about 8 VP at endgame.

Dude, I'm telling you it's the truth. Your math is off. In NO universe does boosting at the start of your career account for 2 full levels. With XP leveling off, it's closer to a 400XP gain. Moreover, Ive been on entire teams with Day 30 builds, and the entire team was always pretty much on the same level. That level was/is on pace to finish at level 68 > boost to 71 > and miss 440 boosts to 74 by a few days. If it really was L72, as you propose, there'd be a TON of level 75-77 dots out there. Frankly, there's none. You're wrong. You're citing hypothetical whereas I know from real world examples. Not to mention the fact that no dots really hit 75-77.

Originally posted by NiborRis
I haven't run the math, but I think you end up lvl 71 if you build day 39/41 and don't boost to 4, but then also don't boost early for lvl 25 and so on when the VXP rolls in. It may be possible to hit lvl 72 that way but I haven't run the math - I think you fall short, PLUS you're out about 8 VP at endgame.

What math do you have to run? Look at the examples above:

Originally posted by
Day 44:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=867535
39 Boosts x 1000 = 39000
Total: 73453

Take out his boost XP and he has like 34000 XP. He hit level 74

Originally posted by
Day 33:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1128464
33 Boosts x 1000 = 33000
Total: 67906

Take out his boost XP and he has like 34000 XP.

They both have IDENTICAL XP. The only difference is the lack of plateau boosts. It is NOT an XP issue.

Originally posted by GP1
Dude, I'm telling you it's the truth. Your math is off. In NO universe does boosting at the start of your career account for 2 full levels. With XP leveling off, it's closer to a 400XP gain. Moreover, Ive been on entire teams with Day 30 builds, and the entire team was always pretty much on the same level. That level was/is on pace to finish at level 68 > boost to 71 > and miss 440 boosts to 74 by a few days. If it really was L72, as you propose, there'd be a TON of level 75-77 dots out there. Frankly, there's none. You're wrong. You're citing hypothetical whereas I know from real world examples. Not to mention the fact that no dots really hit 75-77.

*shrug* okay, I haven't done it myself obviously. I think your samples are going to be screwed right now because of how easy it was to lose a couple hundred XP over the course of 10 seasons, even for S6 and S7 dots (before blowout XP was fixed for sure, and halving the play requirement made it MUCH more likely), but then again there really are only like 2 dots at 75 that I don't think got kicker XP:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=787606
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=760632
and maybe this guy since I got no idea who he is:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=763425

At any rate, we can check back in on this in season 25 and see, I guess.

73453 - 39000 = 34453
67906 - 33000 = 34906

That's actually a 450 XP difference, or HALF A LEVEL - which is huge at the point we're talking. It's far, far, far from identical.
You telling me you're 100%, no doubt, positive that he didn't drop just 94 XP over the course of his lifespan? Built in s6 and there's no way a few games were short 10 points here, 6 points there? Did you boost early to 25?

My s6 dot's XP log has all kinds of weirdness.

Game XP at same levels:
555/554 = 1 XP
503/515 = 12 XP
455/460 = 5 XP
402/411 = 9 XP
379/376 = 3XP
261/253/234 = 8+27= 35XP
240/228/245 = 5+17 = 22 XP
And so on

My "real world experience" shows me that XP was very, very volatile in the s6-s12 days. I easily lost 90 XP due to game fluctuations over the course of his career. I don't know, maybe you didn't, I was just starting and maybe you were very very careful with the XP gains back then.

So, maybe the real answer is "You couldn't do it then, but you can do it now."

Nib, when I tell you that Frasier Crane, the one with more XP, was on XP teams his entire career short of Mayan, I would not be lying. There is absolutely no way that he could have gotten more XP. He spent at least 50% of his career on teams with like 20 players and no CPUs, playing both sides of the ball + forced starter.

Youre also comparing a season 4 to a season 6. You cant really say that they "grew up" around the same time.

And, Frasier could not have even come close to hitting 72. With that maximum XP, you know what he finished with?

Remaining XP: 6 (trade in) Vet Pts: 0

6 freakin xp. He BARELY made level 68. If he was any other dot, or heck, the other dot in my example, we would have been stuck at level 67, and only able to boost to level 70. That further proves my assertion, as it's even further from level 72.

This is gonna be long as hell, so bare with me. As you can see, he never missed any XP during his 100XP period. If you look at every other level, I took the greatest respective XP gain from any time at that level, and subtracted a lesser gain. I added all these up. The difference? 107 XP. That's the absolute most he could have added. And no, there was no early boosting. So instead of finishing at level 68 and 6 XP, he would have finished at 68 and 113 XP. Absolutely no difference.

Edited out my training log, dont want to be accused of caring too much ha

Whether or not it was possible to create on day 39 and still reach level 72...

Originally posted by TrevJo
IMO if you created anytime after day 30 or so you were taking a huge risk.

...you had to know that that create date was going to cost you XP.

Originally posted by TrevJo
I don't see a reason to give a benefit to players who chose not to get to as high of a level as they could.

How the hell was it a huge risk? No one had any idea about the boost cut off date. You can sit here and pretend you knew about it as much as you like. It doesnt make you right.

The XP arent nearly as important as the MISSED PLATEAU BOOSTS. We can do with the penalty of missing out on the XP. That was a choice. Not knowing that you can't boost after a random day, say 440, was not a choice. Your argument is outrageous.

ETA: I also like in your example, day 40+ arent "guilty" of the same thing, but they face no such penalty. It's an arbitrary number, and you know it.

The fact that you didn't know is why it's a risk. If you knew, it wouldn't be a risk, it would just be stupid.

You keep typing MISSED PLATEAU BOOSTS in caps, but if you created on day 0 then you wouldn't need them.

Originally posted by GP1
ETA: I also like in your example, day 40+ arent "guilty" of the same thing, but they face no such penalty. It's an arbitrary number, and you know it.

wat
Day 40+ counts as "after day 30 or so" tbh