Warrior General Games

oh Octowned, when will you get that data to me? did you need an email or a PM? or neither? maybe the best thing to do is to just host it on some random site and I'll grab it from there?

Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
oh Octowned, when will you get that data to me? did you need an email or a PM? or neither? maybe the best thing to do is to just host it on some random site and I'll grab it from there?

right below your post he said to pm him...

Just a confirmation that speed does have an effect on the overall bar for a G. I just put 5 points into speed for my G and the bar moved.

Which is mildly interesting as it's not designated as a major/minor attribute.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=947047
Level 26
Overall: 45
Blocking: 60

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 91 (79 naturally)
Speed: 9
Agility: 37.8
Jumping: 8
Stamina: 32.8
Vision: 23.8
Confidence: 25.8

Football Skills
Blocking: 83 (77 naturally)
Catching: 9
Tackling: 14.8
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 10
Punting: 9

Special Abilities
Pass Blocking Abilities
Pass Block: 3
Strong Arm: 1
Shock Block: 1
Foundation: 1
Line General: 1

Run Blocking Abilities
Run Block: 2
Get Low: 1
Hands: 0
Cut Block: 0
Pancake: 0


What do you say? Green bar and only Strength and Blocking capped. I have 16 SP now putting into Agi (have to get to ~60) i think, then moving on to Vision and Confidence.

The blocking formula looks pretty good. Both overall formulas are off though. I put three in my blocking and my overall bar moved to 27 but the formulas say I'm at 24.94526979(tkl) and 25.60472254(spd).

Overall raised up from 45 to 48 when going Agi from 37,8 to 48,8, blocking bar stayed @ 60

G
Level 44
Overall 54
Blocking 60

Strength: 97.64
Blocking: 67.8
Speed: 29
Tackling: 18.48
Agility: 45.47
Throwing: 10
Jumping: 7
Catching: 8
Stamina: 53.36
Carrying: 10
Vision: 51.68
Kicking: 9
Confidence: 47.64
Punting: 7

Originally posted by Octowned
new confidence ranges...

Getting much more accurate on the strength and blocking.
My current proposed, though slightly off, model is

0.2 STR
0.45 BLK
0.1 VIS
0.1 AGI
0.1 TKL
0.05 CONF



I have been trying to do some calculations on my own inspired by your K/P find. I've been creating a player and adding initial SPs to key attributes to see how much the bar jumps. I just found out that speed does factor into the bar. I created a C

24 Str
20 Blk
10.6 Vis
10.6 Conf
10.6 Agi
33 Speed

Based on your new model, he would have a 16.98 or 18 bar; however, he just tipped into the 21 realm. He had a yellow 18 bar with 23 Str, 19 Blk and 10.2 Vis, Conf, and Agi with 33 Speed. Before I knew speed factored in, I came up with this model:

22/53 * BLK
13/53 * STR
6/53 * AGI
6/53 * VIS
6/53 * CONF

Edit...Stop the presses. I don't know if Speed still factors into the scouting bar. I was getting similar results with speed with tackling and stamina as well. Then something unexpected happened. I rolled this guy

23 Str
9 Speed
10.4 Agi
10.4 Stam
10.4 Vis
10.4 Conf
19 Block
10.4 Tackling

And he had a yellow 21 bar.

I rolled the exact same guy again and only had a red 18 bar (and not a yellow 18 bar).

The difference? The first guy was 6'5 335 lbs and the 2nd guy was 6'2 290 lbs.

So that means height (?) and weight (!) factor into the scouting bar. Don't know about speed, stamina, and tackling anymore though.

level 22 C

Strength:
79
Blocking:
74
Speed:
11
Tackling:
14.2
Agility:
49.2
Throwing:
8
Jumping:
8
Catching:
8
Stamina:
24.2
Carrying:
9
Vision:
33.2
Kicking:
8
Confidence:
14.2
Punting:
9

by moving VIS from 28.2 to 33.2, OVR bar went from 42 to 45 and BLK bar went from 57 to 60, if that helps.

here's his twin brother with slight differences, but the same bars at 45 and 60
lvl 22 C

Strength:
78.75
Blocking:
73.75
Speed:
13
Tackling:
14.15
Agility:
49.15
Throwing:
8
Jumping:
8
Catching:
10
Stamina:
25.15
Carrying:
8
Vision:
29.15
Kicking:
8
Confidence:
14.15
Punting:
9

Originally posted by xdime999
The blocking formula looks pretty good. Both overall formulas are off though. I put three in my blocking and my overall bar moved to 27 but the formulas say I'm at 24.94526979(tkl) and 25.60472254(spd).


am I blind? Because i'm not seeing the overall formulas anywhere.... i can only find the Blocking formulas. Can someone please post here or PM me? thanks!

After hours of painstaking experimentation and calculation, I think I finally figured out the formula.

4/9* BLK
2/9 * STR
1/9 * AGI
1/9 * VIS
1/9 * CONF
1/9 * ROUNDUP[(WEIGHT - 231)/8] (ROUND UP to the nearest integer after the division by 8 before multiplying by 1/9)

I have confirmed that blocking is lower than .428 actually, which is a bummer on that formula unless it is nonlinear. Anyway, interesting proposal on the weight. We have confirmed that it also affects the rushing bar. *sigh* that makes things.. awful

Weight affects rushing? Bort definitely had fun with this. The only reason that I figured weight plays a part was because I had created 2 identical C's, 1 weighed 335 lbs and the other like 290. The 335 lb guy had a yellow 21 and the 290 had a red 18. Trying to figure out that weight factor was ridiculous.

It will be disastrous for our attempts if weight / height are factors.

Unless they are linear.