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Originally posted by william78
I think not - Football in many ways evolved from games played by Carribean and Central American natives (pre-spanish) which was a ritual battle involving sticks and a net similar to lacrosse. However in one particular variant at the conclusion of the game the Captain of the losing team was sacraficed to the winnign team who all took turns pummeling him to death with their sticks in a big line.

Come to think of it - Bort skip never winter knights or whatever it is your coding that's over on the other one.

Give us Ancient Football Carribean Style - We can even be a bit macaub and roast and eat the winners, virtually.

Get rid of the wedge! They said....

Get rid of spearing! They said...

Get rid of leading with the helmet. They said...

And people now a days bitch about "blind side hits".

Further woosification of society.

Back in my day, we stoned the losing captain to death!

Originally posted by Cybertron
Get rid of the wedge! They said....

Get rid of spearing! They said...

Get rid of leading with the helmet. They said...

And people now a days bitch about "blind side hits".

Further woosification of society.

Back in my day, we stoned the losing captain to death!

..Yeah trying to remember the name of it - but there was a great historical fiction novel that had a whole chapter devoted to a particular match one of those things were you google search it and go holly crap they really did that. The the chapter was totally riveting though ..let's say the "hero's" 4th QTR comeback is a lot more meaningful given the stakes.

Originally posted by william78
..Yeah trying to remember the name of it - but there was a great historical fiction novel that had a whole chapter devoted to a particular match one of those things were you google search it and go holly crap they really did that. The the chapter was totally riveting though ..let's say the "hero's" 4th QTR comeback is a lot more meaningful given the stakes.

If my history serves me correctly its actually disputed that it was the losers who were sacrificed and not the *winner's* as a way to honor them.

Originally posted by william78
I think not - Football in many ways evolved from games played by Carribean and Central American natives (pre-spanish) which was a ritual battle involving sticks and a net similar to lacrosse.

No way football evolved from lacrosse

Originally posted by Kvothe27
No way football evolved from lacrosse

Football evolved from soccer. First football game was 1869 when Rutgers played college of New Jersey (Princeton).

Originally posted by Kvothe27
No way football evolved from lacrosse

Well its not exactly lacrosse - I'm just describing an ancient game with its own rules - that has some aspects similar to football or rugby though given the sticks I think we would recognize it more like lacrosse albeit the sticks were used for whacking the opponent.

Pok-ta-pak is about as close as you can get to what was played in olden times though the general "category" I guess is just now called The Mesoamerican Ballgame - it varies from place to place - but there are arist depictions showing players in helmets and hip guards all the way back to 500 BC http://www.famsi.org/research/kerr/dainzu/index.html.

The ball from the game is even older https://historydaily.org/ancient-mesoamericans-invented-rubber-3000-years-before-goodyear they had a rubber ball at least as far back as 1700 BC although the game at that time was probably a little different.

They'd done away with the human sacrafice portion by the time the Spanish arrived - but the spanish so badly wanted to see a match they brought over a bunch of players and described the sport in depth in the early 1600s. The brusing was so bad that most players required medical care after the match , however in general you got 1 point for "passing" the ball through a goal from outside of a specified line, 2 for shoointg inside the line (which also meant exposing yourself to tackling inside the zone on a hard stone surface - ouch) and 5 points for directly carrying it through the goal while bouncing it - I'm guesing assuming the goaline also doesn't tackle you.

Like I said it's a totally unique sport that's evolved but the concept of "zones" its the oldest and also oldest to be played with a rubber ball.

By the way - My favorite ancient "mention" in sports is just how much sports fans across all time love their stats
- Several Romans had "stats" from their favorite charioteer written on their own gravestones as in Here lies Graccus Dio who supported the reds (the Romans had 4 "teams" of racers) known by colors. They would write each other win, place, and show stats for their favorite charioteers.

The most famous is was Gaius Appuleius Diocles, and we have his gravestone on which he claims that he raced for 24 years, mostly for the red faction, and he won almost 35% of his races, placed second in a further 33% (this is an extremely impressive record), and only failed to place in 32% of his races. He was an immensely popular and immensely wealthy man at his death.

https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/chariot-racing/

Originally posted by william78
Give us Ancient Football Carribean Style - We can even be a bit macaub and roast and eat the winners, virtually.

Haha, imagine knowing how to say macabre, but not knowing how to spell it

Generational differences are neat.

Originally posted by Corndog
Haha, imagine knowing how to say macabre, but not knowing how to spell it

Generational differences are neat.

See I told you before I got jealous when you give other people a hard time in the forum. It's nice to know you still care.

Originally posted by william78
See I told you before I got jealous when you give other people a hard time in the forum. It's nice to know you still care.

I believe in treating the elderly with care.

Also relevant because it's another thing stolen from another civilization that doesn't quite fit right.

But then again, that's basically everything. Just think, though, English took the French word for macabre because, previously, there had been no word to describe something as macabre.

Originally posted by Corndog
I believe in treating the elderly with care.

It's a trait of being military first and academically educated 2nd -or- a lover of books on tape/audio files.

As far as elderly, at least I'm mature enough now not to get so aggrevated with you that I feel like cutting your corndog off the stick. Still remember that tiebreaker in season 4.

Originally posted by Corndog
Also relevant because it's another thing stolen from another civilization that doesn't quite fit right.

But then again, that's basically everything.

Just about everything comes from someone else - that's not really stealing its standing on the shoulders of giants. The people who invented pottery basically enabled farming and its the reason we are all not still roaming the environment looking for small game and trying not to starve to death every winter.

Originally posted by Cybertron
Get rid of the wedge! They said....

Get rid of spearing! They said...

Get rid of leading with the helmet. They said...

And people now a days bitch about "blind side hits".

Further woosification of society.

Back in my day, we stoned the losing captain to death!

Half the shit I did as a player is outlawed now... I used to get so many horsecollar tackles on the Punt team, lol. I would do a crackback block on the DE when I was the Wing-back one year where I would spear the DE in the crotch. My own coach pulled me from the game for a few plays after the 3rd time in a row I did and the kid almost didn't get back up, ahaha. When I ran the ball at HB I was taught to just lower my head if I couldn't juke the tackler too, not to mention I would lower my head and throw my whole body into hits on ball carriers or TE's when I played Safety...No blood no foul back in the day lol. Also I used to come flying like superman on pileups at the LoS until I got a late hit penalty once and my coach reamed me...it was hilarious on film however. Good times.

Originally posted by william78
its the reason we are all not still roaming the environment looking for small game and trying not to starve to death every winter.

A lot of the world does still live like this.

Originally posted by Kvothe27
A lot of the world does still live like this.

Not like that, while hunger is certainly still a thing - outside of isolated aboriginal tribes like Sentinel Island or in the deep South American rain forest you don't really have anything close even those groups have methods of planting and harvesting some level of crops but that's an aspect we learned. Prior to that it was stricly foraging and we didn't have any ability to grow our own.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Half the shit I did as a player is outlawed now... I used to get so many horsecollar tackles on the Punt team, lol. I would do a crackback block on the DE when I was the Wing-back one year where I would spear the DE in the crotch. My own coach pulled me from the game for a few plays after the 3rd time in a row I did and the kid almost didn't get back up, ahaha. When I ran the ball at HB I was taught to just lower my head if I couldn't juke the tackler too, not to mention I would lower my head and throw my whole body into hits on ball carriers or TE's when I played Safety...No blood no foul back in the day lol. Also I used to come flying like superman on pileups at the LoS until I got a late hit penalty once and my coach reamed me...it was hilarious on film however. Good times.

Does this mean your in on the new game? Nothing like slowing down the Hawaii Bulls blitz attack like coaching your guys up on the overhand swat with the stick technique or deliberatly throwing the 10 lbs rubber ball at the head of the blitzing LB.