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From what people are saying it seems like man coverage is better and the run game is worse. Why would anyone not blitz 100% of the time. If people can just man and the running game is gimped what is the use in ever playing zone at all?

Is this the case?

well somewhat, blitzes can always be beat if you are expecting them, but yes blitzes are doing very well vs outside runs which was always a counter to them in the past. mostly teams are just picking safe plays and focusing on stopping the pass and ignoring countering the run and then blitzing on longer downs.

plays like cov 2 man under vs 2wr are great vs inside running and almost all 2wr passing, so the weakness was screen passing or outside runs. both of those are now largely ineffective if you check the #s on GLB scout, so what we are getting is tons of cov 2 man under spam and no need to adjust for outside running or screen passing.

if HBs cant beat defenses to the edge, defenses can just stack the box to shut down inside running with plays like cov 2 man under and still have great pass defense, leaving nothing to expose. that is a huge flaw that makes the game very boring, having to worry about if the other teams offense is going to go screen pass heavy or spam a certain play that you need to defend against is one of the aspects that made this game fun.

Originally posted by czman
From what people are saying it seems like man coverage is better and the run game is worse. Why would anyone not blitz 100% of the time. If people can just man and the running game is gimped what is the use in ever playing zone at all?

Is this the case?

These forums are 99% hyperbole.

Either screens just don't work rookie-journeyman, or they need a serious buff

I have players built for screens, but I just can't execute them well yet

Originally posted by Corndog
These forums are 99% hyperbole.

its ok CD, i asked stobie to prepare a little breakdown around week 10 for the YPC numbers on outside rushing compared to last season so you can save your remarks for the facts lol.

in the meantime, feel free to check the HOF leaderboards for HBs and look at the YPC compared to last season (sans vs CPU teams). very easy to see the numbers are literally cut in half and it will be more and more apparent as the season goes on.

Originally posted by TDiddy8701
Either screens just don't work rookie-journeyman, or they need a serious buff

I have players built for screens, but I just can't execute them well yet

unfortunately for several seasons now the screen passes just dont work well, the only usable one has been hb screen left vs heavy coverage 2wr defenses, then occasionally the wr1 screen from singleback or the i form/weak i wr2 screen but now those rarely ever get more than 10 yds and usually result in a TFL so too much risk for no reward.

Originally posted by Sov.
its ok CD, i asked stobie to prepare a little breakdown around week 10 for the YPC numbers on outside rushing compared to last season so you can save your remarks for the facts lol.

in the meantime, feel free to check the HOF leaderboards for HBs and look at the YPC compared to last season (sans vs CPU teams). very easy to see the numbers are literally cut in half and it will be more and more apparent as the season goes on.

Well, first off, good job missing the joke.

Second, the top three current HBs:
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/262665 Last season: 8.0ypc, this season: 6.5ypc
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/271378 Last season: 5.4ypc, this season: 5.5ypc
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/271369 Last season: 5.5ypc, this season: 5.1ypc

I'll give you that they might be a little down, but "literally cut in half"? Come on now.

Of the top 10 current HBs, literally the only one "cut in half" is yours.

Originally posted by Corndog
Of the top 10 current HBs, literally the only one "cut in half" is yours.

i meant the previous top HBs from last season compared to this season, not the current top HBs compared to their last season.

also note that every HB you linked has played 2-3 CPU teams out of 5 games and still averaging approximately 5YPC.

5YPC is awful for any standard from season 1-30. 7-10YPC was the average for any decent HB.

Outside running took a hit when defensive pathing was improved(best addition in a long time). The problem though for both rushing and screen plays, is that pathing for blocks haven't been fixed. Most people don't even take run block awareness high because it's so iffy. As for screens......if the QB isn't getting sacked, the WR/HB is betting stopped for TFL due to poor blocking. There's maybe 3-4 decent screen plays

Originally posted by BoDiddley
Most people don't even take run block awareness high because it's so iffy.

That's an attribute?! 😂

Originally posted by BoDiddley
Outside running took a hit when defensive pathing was improved(best addition in a long time). The problem though for both rushing and screen plays, is that pathing for blocks haven't been fixed. Most people don't even take run block awareness high because it's so iffy. As for screens......if the QB isn't getting sacked, the WR/HB is betting stopped for TFL due to poor blocking. There's maybe 3-4 decent screen plays

correct, i think the issue the defensive pathing improvements compiled with these two offseason changes

-- Man defenders now adjust cushion based on the distance tag of the play called
-- All defenders now get a slight bonus to all skills if defensive play type matches the offensive play (run/pass)

just made it where the defense is quicker to the edge than the HB, so now even with good blocking or a good playcall vs the defense, the defense always cuts off the edge or gets there within a few yards of the LoS (if the DTs or LBs dont get them at the LoS).

granted football is a defensive game, low scoring games are more realistic, outside rushing is rare in real football, etc etc - but for the sake of the sim you need a "rock/paper/scissors" mechanic and without effective outside rushing or screen passing its just paper/paper/paper and rock on 3rd and 1 lol

Originally posted by Sov.
i meant the previous top HBs from last season compared to this season, not the current top HBs compared to their last season.

also note that every HB you linked has played 2-3 CPU teams out of 5 games and still averaging approximately 5YPC.

5YPC is awful for any standard from season 1-30. 7-10YPC was the average for any decent HB.

Well...maybe that is a good thing?

Originally posted by Sov.
oh and hey, 5 games in and your new guys are all at 70-75% chem (an average of 4-5 per game) so actually on track to hit 100 chem before 15 games in. math > whining/exaggeration

Fuck off. I'm literally telling you what happened last season with zero exaggeration just facts. This season I've been giving out high level contracts to get their chemistry up but any player signed at a medium level contract is only at 67%.

This is my first season with a rookie team, based on the first few games/scrims, running/run blocking seem to be pretty broken. I was hoping it'd get better as we go through higher tiers, but based on some of these posts there doesn't seem to be light at the end of the tunnel.

The problem does seem to be based around overpowered coverage which enables you to blitz almost every down. The reward far outweighs the risk(at least as rookies). And the counters, outside runs/screen passes, aren't viable. What you're left with is a pretty stale meta of 90+% passing/90+% blitzing.

As a disclaimer, I'm a little biased. My star HB, so far, is a complete disappointment. Against player teams I think he's averaging less than a yard per carry, and I don't think his build is to blame. There seem to be zero running lanes on most plays regardless of the defensive formation.

I checked out the HBs corndog posted, and I'm still not convinced. The running game in general doesn't seem right this season.