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Originally posted by DeeVee8
I don't GAF about how people choose to honor our country/flag. It is their choice to not show respect to the country that gives them all that they have. Honestly, how much crap has happened in the last 20 years that would have the founding fathers turning in their graves? Terrorism on our soil, gay marriage, gender neutrality, government subsidized health care. So the disrespecting our history ship sailed a long time ago.

What has caused this whole kneeling conversation to explode into what it has become is the same mechanism that is driving this whole social injustice "revolution". Social Media and the immoral money hungry left that is also causing us to buy organic/non-GMO($) foods, pay "green" taxes and allow our enemies into our country unabated. It is the left that is force feeding us this racist narrative and everyone is just eating it up. Think of it as the Harlem Shake: Jim Crow edition.

Hasn't kneeling historically been a sign of submission anyways?


god damn give this man a cookie haha
 
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Originally posted by treygreen13
Completely irrelevant to me. I don't care at all about what side anyone in here comes down on when it comes to this topic.

There's a political subforum. I'm sick to death of this topic and this is a game forum.


I completely agree that this topic has been shoved down our throats for the past year but especially in the last 4-5 days. I'm sick of it also...but look at all those shiny "new" buttons on those other threads. We would have half that at best without this thread. GLB2 main needed this man.
 
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Originally posted by DeeVee8
I don't GAF about how people choose to honor our country/flag. It is their choice to not show respect to the country that gives them all that they have. Honestly, how much crap has happened in the last 20 years that would have the founding fathers turning in their graves? Terrorism on our soil, gay marriage, gender neutrality, government subsidized health care. So the disrespecting our history ship sailed a long time ago.

What has caused this whole kneeling conversation to explode into what it has become is the same mechanism that is driving this whole social injustice "revolution". Social Media and the immoral money hungry left that is also causing us to buy organic/non-GMO($) foods, pay "green" taxes and allow our enemies into our country unabated. It is the left that is force feeding us this racist narrative and everyone is just eating it up. Think of it as the Harlem Shake: Jim Crow edition.

Hasn't kneeling historically been a sign of submission anyways?


 
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Originally posted by DeeVee8
I don't GAF about how people choose to honor our country/flag. It is their choice to not show respect to the country that gives them all that they have. Honestly, how much crap has happened in the last 20 years that would have the founding fathers turning in their graves? Terrorism on our soil, gay marriage, gender neutrality, government subsidized health care. So the disrespecting our history ship sailed a long time ago.

What has caused this whole kneeling conversation to explode into what it has become is the same mechanism that is driving this whole social injustice "revolution". Social Media and the immoral money hungry left that is also causing us to buy organic/non-GMO($) foods, pay "green" taxes and allow our enemies into our country unabated. It is the left that is force feeding us this racist narrative and everyone is just eating it up. Think of it as the Harlem Shake: Jim Crow edition.

Hasn't kneeling historically been a sign of submission anyways?


Lol...that's what I've been trying to say. And unfortunately it might really get bad soon. Hope the sheeple in the world, not just the U.S., wake up to what is happening.
 
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Honestly, they're watching NFL players too hard. And the players know this too. Instead of reporting global issues, like resource decline, they're busy reporting on which player stands, what shoes he wears, etc. when it comes down to something serious though they don't really push the topic, for example the Ezekiel Elliot case. And finally when the NFL feels like they're aren't in control they decide to start handing out season ending suspensions.

Kneeling isn't the problem, the players are kneeling because they know that it isn't pressing news, which means that someone will most definitely report on it or comments on it (like our unfortunate current president).

Same thing with Golden State. He's too busy tweeting out that players are hesitant to go to the White House so the invitation is withdrawn, when the real story is that they didn't plan on going from the start.

America only likes to report controversy
 
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Everyone keeps talking about secondary things, how one should protest, if kneeling is wrong, standing is wrong, boycott, trump tweets, how the demonic new world order illuminati left is trying to take over the world with their masterplan to rule everyone and summon the antichrist to end humanity, instead of debating the theme and objective.

There are extremists on both sides, but its funny how people hate all those minorities narratives, anti racism, gay rights or feminism, denying all the oppression they suffer and suffered, just because some extremists says some dumb shits on youtube videos, or because part of the media and big corporations want to take advantage of those minorities and profit on it because is the new trend.

But when someone acuses a white person of cultural appropriation because they have a rhasta haircut (which i completelly disagree but thats not the point), they get so offended and triggered, when some retards makes "prank" videos in black neighboorhoods and get their asses beaten, people they rally claiming "racists, reverse racism" etc, when a feminazi talks shit to some random male, white people get so offended by this "oppresion", but on the other side they keep insisting to deny or not recognize that there is racism and other kinds of prejudice against a lot of groups.

Stop with the ad hominem arguments, thera are extremists and retards on both sides, no one is completelly right, the middle term is usually the right one. I hate generalizations, there are a lot of diferent ideals and positions on the political spectrum, the classic dichotomy is completely outdated and minimalist, there isn't just left and right. Just because someone defends race equality and wealth distribution doesn't mean they are ultra left winged. Also don't confuse libertarianism with the "left".
 
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Originally posted by McLovinCowboys
Everyone keeps talking about secondary things, how one should protest, if kneeling is wrong, standing is wrong, boycott, trump tweets, how the demonic new world order illuminati left is trying to take over the world with their masterplan to rule everyone and summon the antichrist to end humanity, instead of debating the theme and objective.

There are extremists on both sides, but its funny how people hate all those minorities narratives, anti racism, gay rights or feminism, denying all the oppression they suffer and suffered, just because some extremists says some dumb shits on youtube videos, or because part of the media and big corporations want to take advantage of those minorities and profit on it because is the new trend.

But when someone acuses a white person of cultural appropriation because they have a rhasta haircut (which i completelly disagree but thats not the point), they get so offended and triggered, when some retards makes "prank" videos in black neighboorhoods and get their asses beaten, people they rally claiming "racists, reverse racism" etc, when a feminazi talks shit to some random male, white people get so offended by this "oppresion", but on the other side they keep insisting to deny or not recognize that there is racism and other kinds of prejudice against a lot of groups.

Stop with the ad hominem arguments, thera are extremists and retards on both sides, no one is completelly right, the middle term is usually the right one. I hate generalizations, there are a lot of diferent ideals and positions on the political spectrum, the classic dichotomy is completely outdated and minimalist, there isn't just left and right. Just because someone defends race equality and wealth distribution doesn't mean they are ultra left winged. Also don't confuse libertarianism with the "left".


libertarianism and the left are COMPLETELY different things. Hell, libertarianism and the right are COMPLETELY different things tbh. Libertarianism wants smaller fed gov with control back to the states, while the left wants a massive fed gov that controls just about everything, and the right...unfortunately now they really just want the same thing they just think they could do a better job of it.
 
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Originally posted by McLovinCowboys
Everyone keeps talking about secondary things, how one should protest, if kneeling is wrong, standing is wrong, boycott, trump tweets, how the demonic new world order illuminati left is trying to take over the world with their masterplan to rule everyone and summon the antichrist to end humanity, instead of debating the theme and objective.

There are extremists on both sides, but its funny how people hate all those minorities narratives, anti racism, gay rights or feminism, denying all the oppression they suffer and suffered, just because some extremists says some dumb shits on youtube videos, or because part of the media and big corporations want to take advantage of those minorities and profit on it because is the new trend.

But when someone acuses a white person of cultural appropriation because they have a rhasta haircut (which i completelly disagree but thats not the point), they get so offended and triggered, when some retards makes "prank" videos in black neighboorhoods and get their asses beaten, people they rally claiming "racists, reverse racism" etc, when a feminazi talks shit to some random male, white people get so offended by this "oppresion", but on the other side they keep insisting to deny or not recognize that there is racism and other kinds of prejudice against a lot of groups.

Stop with the ad hominem arguments, thera are extremists and retards on both sides, no one is completelly right, the middle term is usually the right one. I hate generalizations, there are a lot of diferent ideals and positions on the political spectrum, the classic dichotomy is completely outdated and minimalist, there isn't just left and right. Just because someone defends race equality and wealth distribution doesn't mean they are ultra left winged. Also don't confuse libertarianism with the "left".


You are drinking the cool aid if you don't think the Illuminati is real. We are moving towards a one world government, currency and religion. Look around...signs everywhere.

Do some real research. Agenda 21; Agenda 2030; Depopulation of billions; Georgia Guidestones; George Soros; Hollywood, Bilderberg group; federal reserve; petro dollar, etc...

Do you know how the banking system works? They control everything
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I'm not to bothered by it. I do feel they could do it in a better way.

As for racism, it has been around longer than any of us can even dream. Likely always will be. But consider that English where racist against Irish, Scottish for centuries. That's white against white racism. Blacks have done worse things against their own(in Africa it still happens), and if you checked facts they are the ones who sold each other into slavery. They still use each other as slaves there to this day. Unlike the Irish/Scottish who where conquered and forced to it while being treated way worse for centuries. Muslims hate all besides Muslims. Blacks are just as racist against Whites/Hispanics as what they receive(Or I guess the Black guy walking into a church just this past Sunday and killing one and Injuring 6 more was just bad luck?) Everyone seems to hate Jews for cryin out loud. I think Racism at times is just an excuse. Yes it a thing I know. But I don't beleive it's a one way thing or the only reason a lot of these things happen.

I for one think it's more of a class issue. Poor are treated like shit. Skin color matters little. Those types of cops will always find someone to go after and mistreat. For any one ethnic group to use racism is a cop out Imo.

Micheal Bennet is said to have not complied. He makes it seem like he was fully innocent when that's likely only half the story. I do think the cop was way out of line but just don't think Bennet was so innocent as you may think. I know damn well I had a very hard time with cops when I was young(full of piss and vinegar as I was). I'm white as snow and ginger to boot. I've been arrested for resisting arrest without even having a charge to be under arrest for. And they made it stick. All I did was reach up and put my hand in the way while a cop was ramming his finger into my chest yelling in my face. Should I start whining about it? No I won't because my own actions lead me to that spot. I take responsibility for my own problems. Clearly most people rather find an excuse.

And again as a ginger I feel everyone is racist against us and it's perfectly acceptable. Don't act like you're not.



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Oh and I'm not Military myself but My Dad was and my Grandfather served active duty in the Korean conflict, and was injured in one of the largest tanks battles that has ever happened. May he Rest In Peace.


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I can agree with Ty in part.... the Media needs ratings. It's how they make their money, controversy creates cash, etc. That being said, they create fallacies. You hear about a plane crash where all the passengers die, flying is unsafe...yet, that's not true... Statically, it's about the safest way to travel there is. Basic psychology.

I'm very pragmatic. I like facts, sources, and statistics to make my mind up or whatever theory or view I take on a topic instead of getting emotional and firing off. I don't like to be manipulated when it comes to these views so I often try to do research if I take an interest.

The whole kneeling started as a protest vs police brutality towards blacks as we know sparked by Ferguson and subsequent others after. So statistically speaking, are police racists? I believe in 2013 more whites were killed by cops than blacks, however we know that whites are the population majority. When we break it down by population, I recall it came down to blacks being more likely to be shot by cops than whites with a 3 to 1 ratio or something like that. However, the next statistic was that blacks were overwhelmingly committing more crimes and thus increasing their encounters with the cops which upped the amount of brutality chances. If you dig deep enough you can find these stats or watch some Pragur vids (while right leaning they use lots of stats to at least push their PoV such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCQFH5wOJo).

Other interesting facts:

"Some may argue that these statistics are evidence of racist treatment toward blacks, since whites consist of 62 percent of the population and blacks make up 13 percent of the population. But according to The Wall Street Journal, 2009 statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62% of robberies, 57% of murders and 45% of assaults in the 75 largest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15% of the population in these counties.

Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene.

Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This is according to FBI data, which also found that 40 percent of cop killers are black. According to Heather Mac Donald during a speech at Hillsdale College, the police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an unarmed black person."

The majority of these incidents come from poor communities where officers are more often to encounter crime. As mentioned earlier, I agree that I think it's an issue with wealth and social standing more so than race in my opinion just in the statistics I've seen. Drive a nicer car, live in a nicer neighborhood, etc etc and you are less likely to be messed with. I was born and raised in the 4th poorest county in the entire United States in southeast Kentucky and they have no problem messing with you if you're poor. I got pulled over for inane stuff like having a dirty license plate (I lived up a damn holler. WTF. Really?) or they saw me leave a store after buying a bag of ice thinking I had just bought beer from a bootlegger. All that changed when I got out and went to college and made a better life for myself elsewhere.

The only thing I don't care for is the whole white privilege thing when it's brought up in this argument. It never takes into account Appalachia. People there wouldn't know privilege if it jumped up and kicked them in the ass. Inner cities have it way better than these people as a whole and it kinda wrecks that theory when they suffer the same problems.

I am in no way saying that racism does not exist, but I believe this issue comes down to social class wealth in this current day and time unlike years past based on raw data. As a Libertarian I support their right to take a knee (kudos for peaceful a protest), however I feel its divisive. I think the Cowboys handled it the best so far kneeling before hand and then standing during...how can you even fault that no matter what side? My biggest complaint is that I feel the NFL is hypocritical, having Goodell come out and support kneeling when he squashed every other protests most of these same players wanted to do for such things as domestic violence, breast cancer (outside of the few pink games), 9-11, the 5 cops killed in Dallas during the BLM protest, etc etc. Who cares if they put a sticker on the back of their helmet? And don't get me started on how much shit Tebow took for his kneeling, like when NBC said he was polarizing for doing it because he was praying (fuck off Liberal Media for that).

Anyways, I debated if I would even interject into this thread again and hope I don't regret doing so.
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Holy Jesus that was/is fantastic myrik
 
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Originally posted by HayRow
Holy Jesus that was/is fantastic myrik


Yes it was/is. However the Libs do not let facts or logic get in the way of their opinions. This post would be labeled racist, sexist, and homophobic and their subjects would blindly eat it up. Sadly this is very counterproductive to their subjects.
 
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Best post of the thread, myrik. And white people in Louisiana are pretty damn poor too.
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