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Originally posted by TxSteve
coincidence that game #2 after Stobie has offered FREE rewards to fantasy players (total bro move) - someone games/cheats/exploits the system and is grinning about it in the forums? No.

I propose you ban all players on spastic's teams from fantasy consideration for the rest of the season. No place for exploiters!

The Pete Rose.

Originally posted by AirMcMVP
After checking my roster, I'd say its not who you think it is.



OK, maybe I was wrong. I was just lucky to not get sucked into the trap.

I have no idea who it is. That is why I said guess and used a question mark.

Originally posted by TxSteve
coincidence that game #2 after Stobie has offered FREE rewards to fantasy players (total bro move) - someone games/cheats/exploits the system and is grinning about it in the forums? No.

I propose you ban all players on spastic's teams from fantasy consideration for the rest of the season. No place for exploiters!

I really DGAF about a few dollars. Coincidence that in game #2 after I started playing a strategy game I completely screwed over the people I'm competing against? Nah.

I did something fairly similar in a "Business Strategy Game" in a college class. We had teams running these simulated shoe companies, and every week it spit out financial results and ranked the teams. Towards the end, my team was 2nd and I specifically attacked the team in 1st with a completely legit strategy they'd left themselves exposed to. They finished dead last that week because of my plan, and maybe about 4th overall in the end. They got a slightly worse grade because of it. People got over it.

Originally posted by Xars
Guys miss real football games all the time. It's a real issue in Fantasy.

lol, wtf?

You play in a fantasy league with Bill Belichick or something? Because none of the guys I play with can influence the roster or the game plan, and to date I thought people here with power over certain players were being pretty good about not being asshats about it so as not to ruin the fun for everyone else.

you should be excited spas - this might be the first time you've ever really been relevant in glb2!

Originally posted by Stobie
Lets introduce 2 concepts into light here and I can work on the solution.

1. The salary issue where it calculates the salaries based off "ALL" players rather than eligible players played a part in the selection process that people had no fear to select the top QB. This can be solved, but not sure how fast I can solve this, but essentially I believe I solve this I solve the problem with the masses picking a certain player.

2. Implement a 'if' a player doesn't play, then use the best scorer approach which isn't a GREAT option because I could see that being exploited with people benching players to get the best score in leiu of their player.

I think we have to keep things simple and as Xars mentioned I believe the salary cap caused this problem as it didn't give any diversity to picking players. I believe I should solve that first and then evaluate if another change is needed at that point.

Stobie, none of that is the real problem. And I agree it is bs you now have to play bad cop with your free game that people were enjoying.

The real problem is your opponent record rule isn't working as intended. Spastic could afford to bench his top threat because he was playing a scrub team. If it was a more competitive game, it probably wouldn't have happened, as he would care more about winning the GLB game instead of the fantasy game.

Fact is, a .500 record isn't an indicator of a decent team in GLB2.

You should really try to tighten up that rule. Or just leave it be and manually correct for situations like this. You could do something like ban Spastic from playing fantasy for the rest of the season and/or zeroing out all QBs for the week (which would be a bit unfair to Air in a way, but not really).

Originally posted by TxSteve

If fantasy is popular enough (I know fantasy wasn't the prime reason for the spas change here) - then it becomes a target for trolling (benching players / intentionally screwing with the lineup of others / etc) -- and as soon as trolling is a regular occurrence - fantasy game will simply die out

The very nature of GLB2 is chaotic though. You can play a team that passes heavy all season long....and then they run up the middle against you in the playoffs because they saw a fatal flaw in your defense. Any versatile/balanced team is going to have a high degree of variation from week to week, so it seems silly to blame Spastic for doing what we've all done when surprising an opponent. GLB2 isn't the NFL at the end of the day.

For example, what happens when a run heavy team with a star HB goes up against an opponent who has a stifling zone defense. Are they under obligation to give that HB tons of rushes, or should they use pass plays to exploit the zone and get the win? Their goal may not be to get an advantage in a fantasy game, but it's the same result regardless for anyone playing the game.

Originally posted by Spastic_Cowboy
Please explain how I should handle that. I was going to start the passing QB regardless of fantasy. Should I just catch myself in the trap because that's more honorable or something?

I think you're being a baby about this tbh.

You totally screwed me! I changed my QB pick to Hittin's Not Really Meh Thing, Coach last thing because I had some money left over.

Really though I have zero issue with what you did. If I would have done some research I could have easily found out it was a sketchy high risk pick. It was my completely my fault and you should do whatever the f you want to do with your team.

Originally posted by Cuivienen
Stobie, none of that is the real problem. And I agree it is bs you now have to play bad cop with your free game that people were enjoying.

The real problem is your opponent record rule isn't working as intended. Spastic could afford to bench his top threat because he was playing a scrub team. If it was a more competitive game, it probably wouldn't have happened, as he would care more about winning the GLB game instead of the fantasy game.

Fact is, a .500 record isn't an indicator of a decent team in GLB2.

You should really try to tighten up that rule. Or just leave it be and manually correct for situations like this. You could do something like ban Spastic from playing fantasy for the rest of the season and/or zeroing out all QBs for the week (which would be a bit unfair to Air in a way, but not really).

Why wouldn't I do this same thing against a top team? Those are the teams most likely to actually call a defense to\be able to shut down the running QB. I don't have a 2nd QB on the roster for poops and giggles, obviously I'm going to use him at some point. If you don't like it, select a different QB and stop whining about what I do.

edit: l already used this gameplan against NW Storms (8-3, #8 in Vet), so you're just way off base.

Originally posted by TxSteve
I don't think that fix helps Stobie -- by making the player cost more - all you are doing is punishing EVEN MORE in a circumstance like this.


If fantasy is popular enough (I know fantasy wasn't the prime reason for the spas change here) - then it becomes a target for trolling (benching players / intentionally screwing with the lineup of others / etc) -- and as soon as trolling is a regular occurrence - fantasy game will simply die out

In a normal week this fix wouldn't have changed a thing tbh.

This week was very unique, there were no players worth more than 6 or 7000 meaning there was no cap on the season so why not everyone go for the #1 QB by far with little penalty. My question is why did 21 out of 23 people go for the same person? That is more of a concern of mine than what really happened. The fact that people felt safe enough to spend the money on that QB en mass means there was no risk/reward for choosing another QB.

Please don't think I am just letting this go. Its on full blast that I am not happy about this, but at the same point, it is not the first time he has done this (switching QB's) its a tactic on his part and I can't blame him for thinking of it. It is insider information, and there is no way I can protect against that. But what I can do is in weird weeks like this where there essentially is no cap, is to try and make there a cap.

Long story short with this change the player that would have cost 7000 which was the best player this last week, will now cost 10,000 and all players are adjusted accordingly. This forces you to make the decisions based off the best available player costing 10,000. IMO that was a bug in my code, and I have fixed that. I will adjust going forward in unforeseeable events, but until they come up, I will not pretend to solve them.

PER THE QB ISSUE THIS WEEK

I will be setting all players that picked the benched QB to the same QB as Spas. That way I adjust for this week and react to any future issues when they come up.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
You totally screwed me! I changed my QB pick to Hittin's Not Really Meh Thing, Coach last thing because I had some money left over.

Really though I have zero issue with what you did. If I would have done some research I could have easily found out it was a sketchy high risk pick. It was my completely my fault and you should do whatever the f you want to do with your team.

Thanks bro. This is honestly exactly how I see it. The information was technically out there if people wanted to look for it. I'd have absolutely 0 problem with someone else doing it to me.

Originally posted by Cuivienen
lol, wtf?

You play in a fantasy league with Bill Belichick or something? Because none of the guys I play with can influence the roster or the game plan, and to date I thought people here with power over certain players were being pretty good about not being asshats about it so as not to ruin the fun for everyone else.

Let me ask you this. Am I still an asshat if I start a different QB in fantasy than my own passing QB?

If you answer yes, you're saying I'm not allowed to bench my own QB for the other one on my roster. That's pretty obviously dumb.

If you answer no, you're saying I can use my inside information to avoid hurting myself, but not to help myself. That's also pretty obviously dumb.

If the answer is I had to start the running QB in fantasy with the knowledge that he was benched, then again that's pretty obviously dumb.

Originally posted by Spastic_Cowboy
Thanks bro. This is honestly exactly how I see it. The information was technically out there if people wanted to look for it. I'd have absolutely 0 problem with someone else doing it to me.

No one but you knew you were going to start your passing QB. Switching from the running QB wasn't the issue, switching out the running QB and picking the passing QB in fantasy is the issue. That's insider information that no one else had.

Originally posted by AirMcMVP
No one but you knew you were going to start your passing QB. Switching from the running QB wasn't the issue, switching out the running QB and picking the passing QB in fantasy is the issue. That's insider information that no one else had.

That makes some sense. I am guilty of this to a point. There were a lot of games last season I did not pick my WR because I knew he wasn't going to have a big game. It's not much different.