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Who he passed to was a bit different as he could just pass to anybody on the team. Though 90% of the time WR In would be to Ed Obrien because he was unstoppable on that route. I had only 2 players I could pass to on a regular basis in Manningham and America Fuk Ya. They were the only 2 guys I could talk into Catch % AEQ.

The differences were essentially he could hit the TE up the seam on Flares and TE Drive. I had to scope myself to WR3 and WR2. In season 15 I was able to add in the TE with Dylan but I mostly used him as a RZ Target with PTP.

Alloy's offense was incredibly simple to scout. Scouting wasn't the problem. Forcing turnovers and scoring enough points to keep up with him were the only ways of actually defeating him as you weren't going to consistently stop his offense because they could catch in triple coverage even. Even if you lucked out enough to hold them for a half like you did, you still couldn't keep up with them.

Originally posted by bhall43
Who he passed to was a bit different as he could just pass to anybody on the team. Though 90% of the time WR In would be to Ed Obrien because he was unstoppable on that route. I had only 2 players I could pass to on a regular basis in Manningham and America Fuk Ya. They were the only 2 guys I could talk into Catch % AEQ.

The differences were essentially he could hit the TE up the seam on Flares and TE Drive. I had to scope myself to WR3 and WR2. In season 15 I was able to add in the TE with Dylan but I mostly used him as a RZ Target with PTP.

Alloy's offense was incredibly simple to scout. Scouting wasn't the problem. Forcing turnovers and scoring enough points to keep up with him were the only ways of actually defeating him as you weren't going to consistently stop his offense because they could catch in triple coverage even. Even if you lucked out enough to hold them for a half like you did, you still couldn't keep up with them.

bhall is absolutely correct on his assessment. I can't believe we are still talking about it.

Originally posted by refguru
bhall is absolutely correct on his assessment. I can't believe we are still talking about it.
Stop trying to be a kissass. You never even faced Valhalla. You weren't in the WL until s15 and you were in the other conference.


Originally posted by bhall43
Alloy's offense was incredibly simple to scout.
I agree, his offense was very predictable. It was also very, very different from the Blaze or Navigators. I proved that you were full of shit about alloy owning all of the dots on Valhalla, I proved that you were full of shit about alloy supposedly backing out of continuing with the team and screwing people over, and I proved that you were full of shit about Lincoln having the same offense as Valhalla.

The only thing you have been correct about thus far is that Valhalla pitched and Lincoln ran more inside season 14. Again tell me I am wrong about what passing plays they used. You can't. Because I know their offense better than you.

Originally posted by bhall43
I mean they were great because he was a step ahead in the process of every other team and he owned all of the dots.
As noted, w_alloy actually owned only 60% of Valhalla's roster. You were laughably wrong. That's not a mistake of a few dots, that's being wrong about 22 of them.

Originally posted by bhall43
He had a team recruited but instead decided to quit. He gave all his players out to different teams.
http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4017932
http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4023946

No one in either thread from back then mentions anything at all about w_alloy initially recruiting for s16 before backing out. Yet again, you are confusing Valhalla with the stat-padding team he was going to have in Pro.

Originally posted by bhall43
I did help DC against Valhalla. And yes they ran all the same exact plays Lincoln and Blaze did.
You now admit that you were lying, as you did not help DC against Valhalla at all. What you did was to scout them, which is not the same as DCing. Meanwhile you admit that Lincoln and Valhalla ran entirely different types of running plays, but you have failed to acknowledge that Lincoln ran dramatically less often (42.6% compared to 51.1%). Then you acknowledged that Valhalla's receiving TE had 70 catches, 1018.5 yards, and 10 touchdowns more than yours but you made bullshit excuses for it instead of admitting that you were wrong about the passing games being the same. They weren't. As ghuffman noted, the TE was a major factor in Valhalla's success while the TE was completely irrelevant in your OAI. You said something stupid and because you're embarrassed that I exposed your colossal ignorance, you're stubbornly repeating the same bullshit over and over no matter how many facts I produce showing that you've been an idiot.

Hey guys, the Miami Redhawks and Orlando Prime Timers both use Big I sweeps. According to bhall that means they have the same offense even though OPT is incredibly run-heavy while Miami is pass-heavy.

Definitely HHWC

Originally posted by jdbolick

As noted, w_alloy actually owned only 60% of Valhalla's roster. You were laughably wrong. That's not a mistake of a few dots, that's being wrong about 22 of them.

Most of the important dots were his. Plow and Random Beasts TE/WR/DT's were the only other relevant dots on the team. That isn't being laughably wrong. That is just knowing how his team worked.



Originally posted by jdbolick

http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4017932
http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4023946

No one in either thread from back then mentions anything at all about w_alloy initially recruiting for s16 before backing out. Yet again, you are confusing Valhalla with the stat-padding team he was going to have in Pro

Largely being he owned most of the dots. Boomer was the only guy actually upset about it.

Originally posted by jdbolick

You now admit that you were lying, as you did not help DC against Valhalla at all. What you did was to scout them, which is not the same as DCing. Meanwhile you admit that Lincoln and Valhalla ran entirely different types of running plays, but you have failed to acknowledge that Lincoln ran dramatically less often (42.6% compared to 51.1%). Then you acknowledged that Valhalla's receiving TE had 70 catches, 1018.5 yards, and 10 touchdowns more than yours but you made bullshit excuses for it instead of admitting that you were wrong about the passing games being the same. They weren't. As ghuffman noted, the TE was a major factor in Valhalla's success while the TE was completely irrelevant in your OAI. You said something stupid and because you're embarrassed that I exposed your colossal ignorance, you're stubbornly repeating the same bullshit over and over no matter how many facts I produce showing that you've been an idiot.

I offered up my DC play suggestions on how to hold down Ed Obrien and RB's WR on the other side. There is no admission of lying. There is just your absurd notion that I know nothing about Valhalla's offense because it wasn't my DAI being used. You look like an absolute turd with that logic.

Even more looking like a fucking turd you continue to push this they ran more than us suggestion across like it means a fucking thing. I actually gameplanned game to game unlike Valhalla because as already said numerous times their talent was far greater than ours across the board.

Game fucking 1: Run 53/Pass 29
Game fucking 2: Run 53/pass 22
Game fucking 3: Run 51/pass 35
Game fucking 4: Run 40/pass 35
Game fucking 5: run 54/pass 37
Game fucking 6: Run 40/pass 39
Game fucking 7: Run 41/pass 30
Game fucking 8: Run 40/pass 35

Later in the season there were some games where I passed a ton too. I was as balanced as they come. We could rely on the running game and the passing game. Depends on where the weakness was. We even ran more than passed against Halifax in the playoffs. If anyone is showing colossal ignorance here it is you.

You are right I didn't use the TE as much. Because our TE wasn't that great that season. We did use the TE in s15 to a similar tune. We used the exact same plays though.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Hey guys, the Miami Redhawks and Orlando Prime Timers both use Big I sweeps. According to bhall that means they have the same offense even though OPT is incredibly run-heavy while Miami is pass-heavy.

Ya that isn't even close to what I have said. And you were incredibly wrong about Lincoln's run game.

Originally posted by bhall43
Most of the important dots were his. Plow and Random Beasts TE/WR/DT's were the only other relevant dots on the team. That isn't being laughably wrong. That is just knowing how his team worked.
I'll tell you why I always admit when I'm proven wrong since your parents clearly never bothered to teach you to do so. First, it's the right thing. Secondly, it's a hell of a lot easier than foisting bullshit excuse after bullshit excuse and hoping that someone buys it. Then most importantly, it preserves your credibility. Whenever someone reads you refusing to say the words "I was wrong" about your claim that w_alloy owned all the dots on Valhalla, you look like such an asshat that it makes the rest of what you have to say seem less credible. It's natural for people to react by thinking that if you can't admit such a blindingly obvious mistake then they can never trust you to have the integrity to admit any mistake.

Originally posted by
Largely being he owned most of the dots. Boomer was the only guy actually upset about it.
It never happened. No one made any mention or even hinted at any such thing in the forums back then, which someone certainly would have. Again, we have proof that w_alloy gutted Valhalla immediately after their title victory and we have no posts whatsoever indicating that there was ever any intention to keep going. You got confused and even though all this evidence shows that you're wrong, you refuse to admit it.

Originally posted by
I offered up my DC play suggestions on how to hold down Ed Obrien and RB's WR on the other side. There is no admission of lying.
Come on, man, nobody is buying this. You took something you actually did (scouting) and tried to make more out of it (claiming that you "helped DC" against them). We've all seen you post about how you didn't DC and wanted to learn more about it. You didn't create one single defensive play for Lincoln.

Originally posted by
Even more looking like a fucking turd you continue to push this they ran more than us suggestion across like it means a fucking thing.
Well to someone who thinks 60% = 100%, I guess the difference between 42.6% and 51.1% doesn't seem that significant. To anyone who isn't covering their own ass, it's a pretty huge disparity.

Originally posted by
Game fucking 1: Run 53/Pass 29
You're counting sacks as rushes, for the record. The question isn't whether or not you ran more than you passed in some games, it's what you did over the course of the season. Lincoln in s14 had 188 more pass plays than run plays during the regular season. Then you passed 61.8% of the time in the playoffs that season. You were not a balanced offense. Lincoln's WRs were scary, but your running game wasn't. Valhalla required a completely different gameplan because they were a completely different offense.

Originally posted by
You are right I didn't use the TE as much. Because our TE wasn't that great that season.
Which is why you called different plays than Valhalla. Yes, the absolute best pass plays of that sim were used by both teams just as Big I sweeps are used now by everyone. But that obviously doesn't mean that Miami and OPT have the same offense because they both use Big I sweeps. The Valhalla offense and the Lincoln offense were not at all similar. Again, they ran a hell of a lot more than you did. You also admitted that I was correct about them primarily running to the outside while you primarily ran inside. And while the TE difference was the most dramatic, a greater percentage of Valhalla's passing game went through their backs then Lincoln's did (23.4% of yards & 22.8% of touchdowns compared with 19.6% 11.9%).

You said some wildly incorrect things but instead of rightly pointing out that it's fine not to perfectly remember an internet football simulation from five years ago, you've stubbornly continued to insist that you weren't wrong even though all of this evidence proves that you were undeniably wrong about so many different things.

Not sure if you guys are aware but nobody really gives a shit

Way too much tl;dr ITT

Originally posted by Darkstrand
Definitely HHWC

No room for arguments. I don't care what some assholes did in Season 15 when the sim was super fucked and constantly changing to benefit the loudest whiners.

Originally posted by Pwned
No room for arguments. I don't care what some assholes did in Season 15 when the sim was super fucked and constantly changing to benefit the loudest whiners.

what season did the sim become stable?

Fucking stop arguing about stupid shit and start talking about how great we are again.