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Originally posted by Parab00n
It's the ladder, if a Pro Team is ranked 60th and you are ranked 70th it's a fair match-up. If you can't beat them, you have no business being ranked higher. If we take out out of tier match-ups we might as well go ahead and only use tier ladders.

Flip side tier ladders mean nothing playing so many games out of tier as well. What good is a tier rank if its decided by overall rank and you only play say 5 teams from your tier.

Don't use that argument as justification because its flipped easily.

Originally posted by jfbueno
I understand where you're coming from from a ladder perspective but doesn't necessarily seem right that a seasoned team would need to play a pro or vet team even if they somehow pull out a win. I'd rather see a +1/-1 tier play for journeyman/pro teams than everything just being open game. You can find enough closely ranked opponents within those tiers to play a full season and not have to worry about humongous SP discrepancies.

There is no point in the ladder if you do it that way. Those Pro teams that you are playing are very bad and you absolutely have a chance of winning.

Originally posted by Zaranthuul
Flip side tier ladders mean nothing playing so many games out of tier as well. What good is a tier rank if its decided by overall rank and you only play say 5 teams from your tier.

Don't use that argument as justification because its flipped easily.


Not true at all, over half of the gamees you play are in-tier that count towards your ladder rank.

Originally posted by Parab00n

Not true at all, over half of the gamees you play are in-tier that count towards your ladder rank.

That's not really enough to declare a "suitable amount" to declare a tier champion. 10 of the 15 would but "maybe half" isn't.

Also with how the rankings are its plausible that this seasons seasoned teams the top 5 might only play about 1/3 of their games within tier. As the overall which is the only factor in matchups and thus devalues tier rank more, within the top 10 we are approaching a greater then 20 rank differential.

Granted. If played within tier more these teams would still more then likely have the same rank as they do however point still stands.


But would rather this conversation and debate not continue in this thread. This thread is for us to discuss our season not to have people bring a flawed system into debate.

Originally posted by Zaranthuul
That's not really enough to declare a "suitable amount" to declare a tier champion. 10 of the 15 would but "maybe half" isn't.

Also with how the rankings are its plausible that this seasons seasoned teams the top 5 might only play about 1/3 of their games within tier. As the overall which is the only factor in matchups and thus devalues tier rank more, within the top 10 we are approaching a greater then 20 rank differential.

Granted. If played within tier more these teams would still more then likely have the same rank as they do however point still stands.


But would rather this convertaion and debate not continue in this thread. This thread is for us to discuss our season not to have people bring a flawed system into debate.

League games count towards ladder rank, so at the very least 14 games count towards it.

this has been discussed lots and lots and lots.

best solution that will likely never get implemented:

l: Ladder works very well right now as a worldwide ranking system (though personally I would not protect and isolate sophomores)

2: League works great

3: Add in a second half of season (depending on # of teams) single elimination tier tournament which would do exactly what some people think the ladder should do right now.


I just can't believe tournaments are so time consuming to code that we are still missing them 9 seasons in....but I don't know nuthin bout coding no games.

Southside with :22 seconds left kick the fg to win their game!

Originally posted by TxSteve
l: Ladder works very well right now as a worldwide ranking system (though personally I would not protect and isolate sophomores)


I agree it works but it's somewhat harsh. Not complaining because I took my lumps; just explaining.

I'd open up Sophs to intra-tier Ladder, but I'd cap the matchups at +1 Tier.

When the Ladder first became multi-tier, that's effectively what it was (a +1 Tier difference) because there were more mid-range teams. With less teams in the mid-tiers, Seasoned teams are too often jumping 2 Tiers. If Sophs do that, you're going to have really ugly games. You could expand the rankings range from 20 to whatever if you controlled the Tier spread.

I also think new Vet teams should be able to move up the Ladder faster. Somehow.

One of the biggest problems seems to be that top 7-10 teams in seasoned aren't even within range of playing the top 5 of teams in seasoned. Just seems a little odd that I cannot ever play a team in my tier even though they're in the top 10 just because our global rank is higher than +-20. This leaves the top 5-6 teams with only 4-5 teams to play within their own tier.

Originally posted by Stixx
One of the biggest problems seems to be that top 7-10 teams in seasoned aren't even within range of playing the top 5 of teams in seasoned. Just seems a little odd that I cannot ever play a team in my tier even though they're in the top 10 just because our global rank is higher than +-20. This leaves the top 5-6 teams with only 4-5 teams to play within their own tier.

If it was like Journeyman last season those teams will catch you pretty fast once you start getting beat.

Originally posted by Stixx
One of the biggest problems seems to be that top 7-10 teams in seasoned aren't even within range of playing the top 5 of teams in seasoned. Just seems a little odd that I cannot ever play a team in my tier even though they're in the top 10 just because our global rank is higher than +-20. This leaves the top 5-6 teams with only 4-5 teams to play within their own tier.
um...Hub is #1 in seasoned ladder & we pulled #8 in seasoned ladder, DWC, for today's ladder game.

Originally posted by Parab00n
If it was like Journeyman last season those teams will catch you pretty fast once you start getting beat.

Truth

Last season in Seasoned we had a very solid season and were easily a top 10 Seasoned team, I would argue top 5-7, yet we couldn't move past 13 in our ladder. This season we are 3-1 and moved from 13 to 9 in one day because of some losses by teams ahead of us.

I envision by season's end we will be top 7 perhaps top 5 where we belong.

Edit: I said Season 4 times in one sentence and it was grammatically correct = feat.

MEM loses another close one to a Pro team. Silver lining we were able to hold two Pro O's to 16 and 14 points, respectively. Just need to get the O a little more productive.

gg Zar. I thought you'd go Shallow Sam against 2WR so I spammed up the gut runs. Kinda worked but your fucking DL is beastly. Especially that goddamn RDE of Ticca's. Shit. Super clutched it out at the end though.

Those of you interested in watching a genuinely entertaining, competitive game, here you go:

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/154935

Originally posted by Kayoh
gg Zar. I thought you'd go Shallow Sam against 2WR so I spammed up the gut runs. Kinda worked but your fucking DL is beastly. Especially that goddamn RDE of Ticca's. Shit. Super clutched it out at the end though.

Those of you interested in watching a genuinely entertaining, competitive game, here you go:

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/154935

I told them to go 5-2 against you, but to switch it up in longer situations but apparently some people don't understand tactics.