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Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
That implies that passing and rushing should be equal.

It means pass blocking linemen go the way of the dodo if it's not fixed. Much like TT, I'm already considering going with at least a hybrid skills build on the line with all run SAs for Air Raid v2.

You guys with the run blocking O-lines aren't suffering throwing passes demonstrably more than I do.

Queen City's got 11 hurries and 3 sacks on 252 pass attempts.

I've got 88 hurries and 21 sacks on 918 attempts.

I'm not seeing the advantage to my having bothered with pass blocking skills and SAs here. I'm better off with a useful ST return unit, and dive plays with a higher success rate.

Again I'll point out that is play calling and not indication of line play.

Originally posted by bhall43
Again I'll point out that is play calling and not indication of line play.

Are the defenses being called against Romo that much different that what we see?

I've been getting anything from heavy coverage schemes to all blitz schemes, to everything in-between thrown at me this season, and the competition I'm facing is decidedly inferior to what Romo's seeing.

Originally posted by Galithor
Are the defenses being called against Romo that much different that what we see?

I've been getting anything from heavy coverage schemes to all blitz schemes, to everything in-between thrown at me this season, and the competition I'm facing is decidedly inferior to what Romo's seeing.

I'm saying he's running most of the quicker passes that rely strictly on qb more than anything. He also can keep morale by pounding the ball well. And ya I play romo and para a lot differently than any passing team out there between downs 1 and 2.

Originally posted by bhall43
Again I'll point out that is play calling and not indication of line play.

This.

Originally posted by Galithor
Are the defenses being called against Romo that much different that what we see?

I think you took bhalls post wrong, but yea defenses are pretty different... basically a lot less blitzing and less risky play.

QC calls a game a lot different than air raid. They call pass plays when the odds are in their favor of getting the ball out on time, not 1st and 10 (at least not frequently) and in long situations.

Ya'll get that telling me that playcalling is causing the discrepancy doesn't exactly reinforce the idea that I should be building a pass blocking offensive line right? My choosing to build a run blocking offensive line isn't going to change the playcalling against me. It sure as hell will give me a better return team and dive play efficiency though.

Originally posted by Galithor
Ya'll get that telling me that playcalling is causing the discrepancy doesn't exactly reinforce the idea that I should be building a pass blocking offensive line right? My choosing to build a run blocking offensive line isn't going to change the playcalling against me. It sure as hell will give me a better return team and dive play efficiency though.

I mean if you are still passing 80 times a game with a run oline no that isn't going to change my gameplan against you a ton. Though you will be rev caked more often as a run block oline passing that much.

As I said in another thread though. Even as a fully committed pass blocking oline I have the ability to take enough running skills on my line for rusty.

Originally posted by Galithor
Ya'll get that telling me that playcalling is causing the discrepancy doesn't exactly reinforce the idea that I should be building a pass blocking offensive line right? My choosing to build a run blocking offensive line isn't going to change the playcalling against me. It sure as hell will give me a better return team and dive play efficiency though.

I think you also need to read into what Romo said about the teams that pass rush him. They tend to still try technique based rushing, which means that they are not engaged against his run built D-line nearly as often (and they are probably a bit demoralized from being pushed around by the running game). I mean, if you are running 65% passing plays and 35% spread dive out of the 4 WR set, teams "should" be giving you a very different look than if you are going 95% passing from the 4WR set.

Originally posted by Time Trial
I think you also need to read into what Romo said about the teams that pass rush him. They tend to still try technique based rushing, which means that they are not engaged against his run built D-line nearly as often (and they are probably a bit demoralized from being pushed around by the running game). I mean, if you are running 65% passing plays and 35% spread dive out of the 4 WR set, teams "should" be giving you a very different look than if you are going 95% passing from the 4WR set.

Dives don't change anything. It's the pitches that change everything I do.

Originally posted by bhall43
Dives don't change anything. It's the pitches that change everything I do.

Yes, QC (and DD) kill people with pitches.


They be like pitchforks y'all

All I'm sayin' is get some run blockers. Pitches love run blockers.

I've actually been forced to more inside rushing this season. My numbers are down, largely because builds have caught up to my strengths. It's harder to pancake defenders and across the board they're faster. I can definitely still get 10 yard pickups rushing outside when there is a tactical hole, but it's a lot harder to get the really big runs.

Also, pass blocking o-lines are pretty dominant for passing downs. I'd love one for passing purposes because it gives you a ton of time.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Also, pass blocking o-lines are pretty dominant for passing downs. I'd love one for passing purposes because it gives you a ton of time.

I think I speak for everyone but Paraboon when I say Mr. #2 on the ladder.

Today, a question I had was affirmatively answered.

On a pass play, once the receiver catches the ball, run blocking goes into effect. I'll post the play where you can clearly see a Pass SA fire before the catch and a Run SA after it.

While I understand the rationale for this, I think this explains why Pass teams can't utilize WR screens well enough to counter inside blitzes. WRs make those catches in traffic a lot and if you're a pass blocking line that now needs run blocking skills to drive defenders, the play is going to fail. Which it does most of the time.

A fix is needed because utilizing screens is what a pass orientated team uses to simulate a running game. A good run blocking team doesn't need screens to attack all the running lanes, whereas a passing team does.

Run blocking is better on runs, better on ST and better on screens/ short passes. That's imbalance.


http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/79362/1431832

You can see Get Low clearly fire at the very end of the play. Leverage fires just a bit earlier