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Originally posted by bhall43
I absolutely agree. I have seen every side of this argument with my teams thus far and I think it is great. Like I said my only problem is losing my huge rival under the reshuffle which is an unfortunate part of the leagues taking a bite.

Problem fixed for all teams in all leagues in my solution.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
But Bhall is screaming out for competition here, yet if his team were in Jebs' spot he'd be stuck with no competition.

You cut the explanation short, and in so the reason it is better.

You all say no, you don't like it because of this and you want this. But if you understood it, it is giving you exactly what you want. You guys just don't understand and that's not a reason to bash it, it's a reason to be quiet or ask questions.

Stopping thinking you are the smartest man in the room, we understand your proposal and most don't like it.

Originally posted by Parab00n
Stopping thinking you are the smartest man in the room, we understand your proposal and most don't like it.

I'm not saying I'm the smartest in the room. Most make it evident they don't understand the proposal by saying they don't like it and then in the same post saying they want this or that, which the proposal is giving them. So if they are saying they want something and the proposal gives it to them in a better way, why not agree with the proposal? If people are saying they don't like something and the proposal fixes that problem, why not like the proposal? Because people don't understand it.

I'm just surprised an easy fix that makes quite a few things better and solves other problems is just getting looked off. To make it worse nobody can propose anything solid as to why another way is better or as to how the proposal is not good or doesn't fix anything or makes anything worse. The only things I've against it are the things it fixes and that people just don't want change. Which again, it doesn't really change anything, you can even still have divisions if you wanted.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
I'm not saying I'm the smartest in the room. Most make it evident they don't understand the proposal by saying they don't like it and then in the same post saying they want this or that, which the proposal is giving them. So if they are saying they want something and the proposal gives it to them in a better way, why not agree with the proposal? If people are saying they don't like something and the proposal fixes that problem, why not like the proposal? Because people don't understand it.

You listed a proposal, stop acting like you presented facts. Just because you think your suggestions fix what you think are problems doesn't mean everyone agrees.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
I'm just surprised an easy fix that makes quite a few things better and solves other problems is just getting looked off. To make it worse nobody can propose anything solid as to why another way is better or as to how the proposal is not good or doesn't fix anything or makes anything worse. The only things I've against it are the things it fixes and that people just don't want change. Which again, it doesn't really change anything, you can even still have divisions if you wanted.

Do you really have this little of social skills that you passively insult everyone who doesn't agree with you?

Originally posted by Parab00n
Do you really have this little of social skills that you passively insult everyone who doesn't agree with you?

No, but it looks like you do. If I insult someone it'll be direct and obvious and the person who needs to know it will know it. You're reading it how you think I'm saying it. You wouldn't have a problem spinning the words if you read it in a neutral tone.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
No, but it looks like you do. If I insult someone it'll be direct and obvious and the person who needs to know it will know it. You're reading it how you think I'm saying it. You wouldn't have a problem spinning the words if you read it in a neutral tone.

Clearly, that's why you have became so popular on the forums that past couple seasons. The reason no one liked your proposal was because very little of it made any sense at all.

Originally posted by Parab00n
Clearly, that's why you have became so popular on the forums that past couple seasons. The reason no one liked your proposal was because very little of it made any sense at all.

People don't like hearing the truth. Yeah I point out shit that's wrong. Yes I'll butt my nose in when someone is getting taken advantage of. Yeah I'll speak up when I notice something is unfair. It's not always the popular decision, but I'm not here for everyone to like me. I try to stay as unbiased as I can and be honest. Saying very little of it made sense just means you understood very little of it. I broke down in over a handful of ways the problems it solved and the things it made better.

I'm definitely willing to explain it differently, answer any questions anyone has, and clear up any doubt or misconceptions people have.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
I'm just surprised an easy fix that makes quite a few things better and solves other problems

That is the rootcause of all troubles you have...You are clearly way to subjective. YOU think its an easy fix and YOU think it makes things better as well as YOU think it get rid of problems that YOU see. It seems like you dont understand that there are differen persepctives

If Phaytle would just do a better job of explaining his "solution" i'm sure everyone would like.

Some competitive teams complain about stacked divisions. Some complain about wanting to be in a stacked division. Logic dictates we should unstack divisions. Did I do it right?

Originally posted by peeti
That is the rootcause of all troubles you have...You are clearly way to subjective. YOU think its an easy fix and YOU think it makes things better as well as YOU think it get rid of problems that YOU see. It seems like you dont understand that there are differen persepctives

Like I posted before, I'm looking for criticism and to be shown how it's worse. What am I to think if there hasn't been anything solid brought against it. It's not subjective because it is giving things people say they want.

Originally posted by zbuckley
If Phaytle would just do a better job of explaining his "solution" i'm sure everyone would like.

How would you better explain it? It's clear in my mind, I broke it down into like a dozen tony little pros and cons, I related it to the ladder, I explained divisions could still be kept - just switched around with teams with appropriate records each season, and it seems like they are still misunderstanding. lol, help me out here.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
It's not about being a pussy. It's adding more competition because you don't have the 3rd or 4th best team out of the playoffs because they are 3rd in their division.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
Playoff games are important.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
You obviously don't get it. If you remove divisions you no longer have weak teams riding a weak division getting into the playoffs, giving the #1 seed an easier game. If you just give the playoff seeds to the 4 best teams then it makes it harder for everyone. You also don't have good teams getting snuffed out by a weak team they beat twice just because they have 2 better teams in their division. The playoffs take 4 teams, and they should be the top 4.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
You can have both and you don't have to settle for mediocrity.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
I'm not bitching. I had the idea for a while and posted it before the new season. You are stuck on the notion this is making things easier for anyone or something, I dunno. Whether you are 3rd in the division or not doesn't prove whether you deserve it or not. If you are the 3rd or 4th best team then you deserve the 3rd or 4th best spot. You'll provide more competition than the #5 team. You at #3 or 4 will be tougher competition on the road to the championship. Even though you are 3rd in the division you still may be 3rd in the whole division and have the 3rd highest chance at winning the trophy. Why should you be out, that would only give the other teams an easier road.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
Ok, check this out. What if instead of being locked into a weak or strong division, teams played other teams in their league with the same record.

This way, if the top 3 in Rhino Alpha do good, they'll play each other twice each year like division rivals (along with another similar record). The teams that have bad records in other division, like Beta with Jebs won't be forced to play Jebs twice, they'll be scheduled against other teams in the division with similar records.

Then the level of competition is high no matter if people leave or enter your division. Nobody get a free playoff spot or is snubbed of one because of randomness. Everyone seems to like the ladder, and this is like that. Rivalry is instilled in those with like records.

Everybody gets more even matchups for better competition. All 4 teams in the playoffs have the 4 highest chances based on record. The weak teams leave less often because they have more games with teams with like records instead of getting beat down by the best teams twice each season. Many things are fixed, nothing is broken.

There are problems, and I've offered attainable solutions and showed how they can be better. Why stick with having the problems when they can be fixed and when what everyone complains about on both sides, competition, can be kept but evened?




Originally posted by -Phaytle-
You've already proved you can't even out divisions in earlier posts. If you do what you, split the top3 into separate division, the next 3 into separated divisions, etc, then you are just creating 3 playoff spots and 3 teams fighting for a WC, and 6 teams with a tiny chance. That doesn't really make anything more even, it just prob gives the top 3 a more straightforward shot at not loosing their spot.

This is why divisions in such small leagues don't work correctly. Or at least having divisions hand out playoff spots like they do doesn't work. The change I proposed doesn't cater to anyone. It does the same thing the ladder does. So if my proposal isn't fair, or isn't competitive then so too is the ladder, (and that person doesn't understand).

Once this is put in place it fixes everything and doesn't need to be changed and nobody can prove it doesn't work. A better way doesn't exist in such a small league structure. There are finite ways to make 12 teams fit into the schedule.

Originally posted by -Phaytle-
Say all three Alpha teams in Rhino and Jebs in Beta get 10 wins and are the top 4 records in that league. Wouldn't it be better for those 4 teams to play each other twice instead of Jebs getting to play easier competition for 6 games and Nashville in Alpha getting beat down 6 times each season? Why now match up Nashville with 3 other teams with like records instead of 3 top 15 teams each season?

See how this makes it more competitive for everyone?

my man, figure out the power of multi quoting.

Originally posted by Galithor
Some competitive teams complain about stacked divisions. Some complain about wanting to be in a stacked division. Logic dictates we should unstack divisions. Did I do it right?

Basically, you could make division flexible and instead of each division being locked each season they would be rearranged to fit the four teams with the most similar records with each other. Then they would play each other twice, giving everyone no super easy or super hard games. Everyone has more like opponents with an even chance to win instead of a team staying in the basement of a hard division or a good team running away with it in a weak division. Then the competition is increased because Jebs would most likely be with the others in Alpha.

Then next season the divisions would be rearranged based on the previous seasons records, but everyone kept in the same league. Then there are less people who quit because they can't play even opponents like Nashville and less are disappointed by not having enough competition like Jebs. Rivalries are built within the division between teams with the same record, but it still allows for teams to move up and down if they loose players or gain superstars or whatever.

It's only 3 games a season, but couple that with each team now having a more even chance at winning more games by being matched with similar opponents instead of weaker or stronger to bring the playoff race closer, and taking the top 4 and it just solves what everyone bitches about.