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bhall43
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Originally posted by Dub J
I understand why people like having a ladder but I feel tournaments accomplish the same thing and are more legitimate.


Maybe the Pro World Tourney, but the other tournaments don't nearly accomplish the same thing.
 
Dub J
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With the ladder teams can just pick and choose and skip over certain teams, though. Pretty weak imo.
 
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Originally posted by Dub J
With the ladder teams can just pick and choose and skip over certain teams, though. Pretty weak imo.


huh? You can't skip anyone, the games are auto scheduled.
 
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Originally posted by jdbolick

This kind of thing just pisses me off because it is so deeply, deeply stupid. When you make utterly moronic comments I take it as an insult because I consider my time to be valuable and you are wasting it with worthless drivel. Idiot, I provided statistics showing that no one is getting many PDs in GLB2. It is a problem with the game there, not builds. But for the record, yes, every single one of my points on my coverage LB over there have gone to what I thought would be PD-relevant skills. I just had the misfortune to try building something that has absolutely no purpose or value on GLB2.


Again, you point to stats as though stats explain why no one has stats. If you ever bothered to watch a GLB2 sim, you would realize why PD bots are having trouble getting PDs. It is a problem that goes far beyond the difficulty of obtaining a stat and is, believe it or not, something that both Bhall and I expressed on the test server. In rookie, there are many routes where the defender just won't stick to the receiver. There are many defensive plays where receivers are left uncovered or where the coverage cushion is such that you could not get a deflection. The zone defence in the early stages doesn't react quickly enough to the pass, so you won't get many deflections there either. It isn't JUST the difficulty of deflecting the ball when you are in the position to do so, it is that you are often out of position to make the PD in the first place.

Addressing the PDs issue involves a lot more than simply making PDs easier to obtain in the sim. So if I'm talking down to you because you are bringing up stats, it is because "the stats" aren't the underlying issue, it is symptomatic of a larger problem that you ignore. It is like the agent posting about how his QB isn't getting any TDs, completely in the absence of discussing the build of the QB, the RZ tactics of the team, the quality of the WRs, and the quality of the O-line.

Originally posted by jdbolick
You would agree that I am a vastly better builder than you are, correct? Yet even I haven't "mastered" it. There are not only new things still left to try, but quite a bit of debate about what approaches produce the best results. It isn't stale whatsoever, you've just given up on trying to get any better.


I wouldn't agree that you are a "vastly" better builder at all. I build some high quality WL dots. My lack of success with this batch of dots had more to do with my failures as a coordinator than as a builder (also I built some experimental dots in key positions that didn't work out, not because I built them poorly, but because the build just doesn't work). Building is stale because once you've decided what you are going to do with your dot, you essentially are just plugging away with training. Maybe you will get lucky with an AEQ shop or two and that changes your endbuild a little, but not by a lot.

Yes, there are still things that can be tried. I was excited a few seasons ago by the success I was having running my QB up the gut, so I decided to build a couple of power rQBs that CAN run outside, but which are more of a pHB, but one that can use FS and Surge together with Spin and Power Thru. I say I "was" excited because I had the idea in June, 2013, had to wait until July for the new season, and my dots are just now at level 42. It will still be another few seasons before I'll even start to see if the build is going to shape up, and another few seasons after that before I'll try and convince some WL coordinator to take a chance on a different style of build. So you can see why it is tough to get excited about new builds the way I used to.
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
Ladder sucks the point out of the pyramid system imo. I love the ladder system and all in GLB2 but I don't think both exist and be relevant. As long as there is a WL, the ladder system holds no point.


Season 1 forms the base of the pyramid.
If you start a team in Season 2, you are a step down the pyramid; however, if all players are L79, a season 2 team might be as good as a winning season 1 team... the pyramid doesn't let the S2 team prove that, the ladder does.
 
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Originally posted by bhall43
huh? You can't skip anyone, the games are auto scheduled.


Auto scheduled? That sucks.
 
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Originally posted by Dub J
Auto scheduled? That sucks.


Currently it will pick someone who is within 10 ladder ranks of you. So far, the ladder games have generally been consistently the closest and most exciting games to watch.
 
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Does a team have to play ladder games over there or is it an option? I hate looking at our schedule at GLB2 and wading through the ladder games and shit to see our real games (league).



 
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Originally posted by Time Trial
Again, you point to stats as though stats explain why no one has stats.

No, I point to stats to show what an idiot you're being for suggesting that my lack of PDs was due to my own point allocation. That's why you wrote: "I'm to assume that you have already done everything possible to improve your PDs." That comment made you look like a moron because we had already established that the problem is systemic, not individual.

Originally posted by Time Trial
I wouldn't agree that you are a "vastly" better builder at all. I build some high quality WL dots.

Well at least we've now officially established that are, indeed, stupid. You do not build "high quality WL dots" by any stretch of the imagination. I had a lot of holes to fill on Grand Banks this off-season and I looked through your free agent thread without finding a single one I thought was worth recruiting. Back in the day you rarely if ever had dots on WL teams, correct? You have some now only because the supply has gone down, not because yours are any good. Mine are some of the best built in the game while you're not even on the next tier down.


This entire argument is ridiculous, not only because someone like you should never have the nerve to argue with someone like me, but because you've completely dodged the fact that the only large flex expenditure comes from dot creation. If dot building was so flawed, people wouldn't have bought gobs of flex. GLB very clearly and obviously still exists because of the ALG build process.
 
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I had a dot in WL back when it meant something but that was because I got lucky. Most of the LBers back then were slow as shit.
 
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Originally posted by Dub J
Does a team have to play ladder games over there or is it an option? I hate looking at our schedule at GLB2 and wading through the ladder games and shit to see our real games (league).





I'm pretty certain you have to.

Don't hold me to that, I barely visit GLB2. I'm just going off the fact that either does our team's owner and we still play ladder games.
 
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well fuck

And I was going to buy a team over there next season.
 
Time Trial
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Originally posted by Dub J
Does a team have to play ladder games over there or is it an option? I hate looking at our schedule at GLB2 and wading through the ladder games and shit to see our real games (league).





You have to play in them because those games make up 1/2 the SPs you are awarded in the season. Their stats count as though they were league play (seperated from league stats though).
 
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Originally posted by Dub J
well fuck

And I was going to buy a team over there next season.


It's so fucking confusing because you have your record combined with the ladder games, and then your record within your league. At first I thought I was doing good OC'ing, and then I realized only half of our wins were in our league.

We haven't won a game since.
 
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Originally posted by Time Trial
Season 1 forms the base of the pyramid.
If you start a team in Season 2, you are a step down the pyramid; however, if all players are L79, a season 2 team might be as good as a winning season 1 team... the pyramid doesn't let the S2 team prove that, the ladder does.


Those are just lolscrims though. Because there is only one league that matters. The top league. The ladder games are meaningless at that point. Just like tournaments and scrims are meaningless in GLB1 ever since WL was established.
 
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