Pokemon was absolutely by far the best game ever made (the original gameboy game).
I stand by that statement and openly welcome any argument to said factoid.
I stand by that statement and openly welcome any argument to said factoid.
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I smoke plenty, thanks for asking.
If you're ever in VA....
I smoke plenty, thanks for asking.
If you're ever in VA....
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Originally posted by 1kwerdna
If you're ever in VA....
I don't think he was referring to cock.
If you're ever in VA....
I don't think he was referring to cock.
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Originally posted by 89stepside
I don't think he was referring to cock.
Worth a try...
I don't think he was referring to cock.
Worth a try...
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Originally posted by Bevo05
But where do we draw the line???? Does that mean an agent should not make players for multiple teams?And some coor may get bored with running just one team. And if bored they may just end up giving it up all together.....which isn't good either....
i think that if you have a conscience and try to do the right thing by the teams that you are already on, then that wouldn't be a problem ...all yas need is a bit of integrity and loyalty! ...I highly doubt that som1 like zmj would get bored and give up all together ~ he would just branch out to the other levels a bit more! ...i doubt that not being able to coordinate for more than one peewee gold team would force som1 to quit! ...that is just a BS excuse from the gold league hierachy to try and justify you guys having your hands in so many pockets! ...and building players for teams could still be managed to some extent, without causing too much of a problem, but once again, just having some respect for the teams that you already build players/coordinate for, should keep your snouts out of the trough!
Originally posted by Bevo05
And of course this is all pointless anyway. Because anyone can do what they want....
THEY CAN ONLY DO WHAT THEY WANT IF OWNERS LET THEM! ...i can't see these guys owning their own teams, building all of the players for it and boosting and custom EQing them by themselves season after season in gold! ...the fact that you guys try and support each other in gold is part of the big problem also! ...the rivalry in gold is almost non-existent now because of this! ...friendship is for the league/peewee forums or PMs! ...you don't need to be on the same teams as GM/whatever for that! ...just gotta keep it all in perspective! ...show a bit of integrity! ...I remember when LE had invited me as HC of SBWL and I wouldn't have accepted unless the gold team that I coordinated for (Atlanta Apocalypse) allowed me to, which they did! ...have a bit of pride guys! ...no pride in holding hands with the enemy! ...and as far as the business side of things go, rival teams in the gold league ARE THE ENEMIES! ...otherwise yas are just contributing to the joke of what the gold league has become!
Originally posted by Bevo05
The best way to increase the talent in GOLD is to reduce the # of silver leagues. Then make it to where the conference champions all get to go. I think it is a little too hard sometimes that you have to win the league to get in. There are probably some more talented teams in silver right now that did not get to gold just because they ran into that one team in silver that was just slightly better or had the better sim that day. And two months is a long time to wait to have another chance at it.
i disagree! the best way to increase gold talent is to limit gold coordinators to teams and allow other coordinators to come in and get a feel for coordinating against the best! ...when you say that they may have run into a team that was slightly better, then the chances are that it was probably partly because of a gold coordinator or ex-gold coordinator using his AIs and build advice for that silver team!
But where do we draw the line???? Does that mean an agent should not make players for multiple teams?And some coor may get bored with running just one team. And if bored they may just end up giving it up all together.....which isn't good either....
i think that if you have a conscience and try to do the right thing by the teams that you are already on, then that wouldn't be a problem ...all yas need is a bit of integrity and loyalty! ...I highly doubt that som1 like zmj would get bored and give up all together ~ he would just branch out to the other levels a bit more! ...i doubt that not being able to coordinate for more than one peewee gold team would force som1 to quit! ...that is just a BS excuse from the gold league hierachy to try and justify you guys having your hands in so many pockets! ...and building players for teams could still be managed to some extent, without causing too much of a problem, but once again, just having some respect for the teams that you already build players/coordinate for, should keep your snouts out of the trough!
Originally posted by Bevo05
And of course this is all pointless anyway. Because anyone can do what they want....
THEY CAN ONLY DO WHAT THEY WANT IF OWNERS LET THEM! ...i can't see these guys owning their own teams, building all of the players for it and boosting and custom EQing them by themselves season after season in gold! ...the fact that you guys try and support each other in gold is part of the big problem also! ...the rivalry in gold is almost non-existent now because of this! ...friendship is for the league/peewee forums or PMs! ...you don't need to be on the same teams as GM/whatever for that! ...just gotta keep it all in perspective! ...show a bit of integrity! ...I remember when LE had invited me as HC of SBWL and I wouldn't have accepted unless the gold team that I coordinated for (Atlanta Apocalypse) allowed me to, which they did! ...have a bit of pride guys! ...no pride in holding hands with the enemy! ...and as far as the business side of things go, rival teams in the gold league ARE THE ENEMIES! ...otherwise yas are just contributing to the joke of what the gold league has become!
Originally posted by Bevo05
The best way to increase the talent in GOLD is to reduce the # of silver leagues. Then make it to where the conference champions all get to go. I think it is a little too hard sometimes that you have to win the league to get in. There are probably some more talented teams in silver right now that did not get to gold just because they ran into that one team in silver that was just slightly better or had the better sim that day. And two months is a long time to wait to have another chance at it.
i disagree! the best way to increase gold talent is to limit gold coordinators to teams and allow other coordinators to come in and get a feel for coordinating against the best! ...when you say that they may have run into a team that was slightly better, then the chances are that it was probably partly because of a gold coordinator or ex-gold coordinator using his AIs and build advice for that silver team!
Edited by ManOgwaR on Apr 11, 2011 05:52:33
Edited by ManOgwaR on Apr 11, 2011 04:53:46
Edited by ManOgwaR on Apr 11, 2011 04:36:54
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You are just wrong ManOg, without EDB helping me I never would have known a damn thing about this game as far as peewee coordinating (while he wasn't actually Gold at the time... the fact remains someone knowing something taught me) if your really under the impression people helping people is causing the game to suck... NOT the fact that most of the leagues are over half cpu.... then you are seriously misguided.
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With all due respect to manogwar, you do come out as whining since I've seen you complain about the sim as well. I think you made some good points and you are actually consistent with what you are saying but that's how people will see it.
For instance you brought out Deluca but he was even at a bigger disadvantage because of the fact that his team was no/no. He had to stay in silver even though he was a gold league caliber coordinator. But you don't see him complain about the fairness of the game. Instead he worked hard to improve his skill and impressed the gold league owners enough to hire him. PW is one league in GLB where you'll get noticed if you have the skills yes/yes or no/no.
I'm sure everyone wants the one coordinator per team structure but just like you have people willing to boost to take advantage over other teams, they have the same rights to coordinate more than one team. It's also highly debatable if they do even have the advantage. In my experience it was actually a disadvantage and had to reduce the size of the AIs for both teams. At least they are being honest about it, the worst thing is GM sneaking in and ninja coordinating for them. I've seen this plenty of time and they don't even get criticized because there is no way to prove it.
By the way we have plenty of talents in gold. Gold has always been stacked and I don't see any difference compare to earlier seasons. We just see that in silver/copper league and it's because we have so many leagues there. If we reduce it to 4 silver leagues/4 copper leagues than the problem will be solved. But I'll guarantee you that we'll still have a lot of complainers but this time because of the tough competition.
For instance you brought out Deluca but he was even at a bigger disadvantage because of the fact that his team was no/no. He had to stay in silver even though he was a gold league caliber coordinator. But you don't see him complain about the fairness of the game. Instead he worked hard to improve his skill and impressed the gold league owners enough to hire him. PW is one league in GLB where you'll get noticed if you have the skills yes/yes or no/no.
I'm sure everyone wants the one coordinator per team structure but just like you have people willing to boost to take advantage over other teams, they have the same rights to coordinate more than one team. It's also highly debatable if they do even have the advantage. In my experience it was actually a disadvantage and had to reduce the size of the AIs for both teams. At least they are being honest about it, the worst thing is GM sneaking in and ninja coordinating for them. I've seen this plenty of time and they don't even get criticized because there is no way to prove it.
By the way we have plenty of talents in gold. Gold has always been stacked and I don't see any difference compare to earlier seasons. We just see that in silver/copper league and it's because we have so many leagues there. If we reduce it to 4 silver leagues/4 copper leagues than the problem will be solved. But I'll guarantee you that we'll still have a lot of complainers but this time because of the tough competition.
Edited by RaphaneKnight on Apr 11, 2011 10:45:43
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Originally posted by Time Trial
Originally posted by 89stepside
Just the opposite actually. All the teams listed are pretty much a part of the Gold coaching hierarchy. If anything it shows interest, not disinterest.
Pee Wee isn't breeding any new talent. You would need to remove the gold coaches from Pee Wee for a few seasons to let a new best of the best show up.
I would disagree.. I'm not a Gold Coach and the Jesus Freaks are doing pretty well...
I'm relatively new considering probably nobody knows who I am...
Originally posted by 89stepside
Just the opposite actually. All the teams listed are pretty much a part of the Gold coaching hierarchy. If anything it shows interest, not disinterest.
Pee Wee isn't breeding any new talent. You would need to remove the gold coaches from Pee Wee for a few seasons to let a new best of the best show up.
I would disagree.. I'm not a Gold Coach and the Jesus Freaks are doing pretty well...
I'm relatively new considering probably nobody knows who I am...
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Originally posted by iStoner
Glad to see someone besides myself finally noticed something I've pointed out since, what, season 14?
But, at this point you guys are actually pointing the finger at the wrong thing...
Does whoring yourself all over the place cause a negative impact on the peewee leagues in general, hell yes.
Does handing people AIs that they will use without reason and never make a positive change to pretty much inhibit them not only from ever really enjoying the game, but ever getting better at it, hell yes.
Is that why peewee is now a crock of shit, hell no.
Peewee has and always will be limited by the fact that the difference between a boosting team and a nonboosting team is far greater than that of any of the other leagues (besides the Rookie leagues, which are actually much worse off than the others since the induction of level 4 leagues).
Let me explain: If you don't boost in the peewee league then compared to a team who fully boost you are at at least a 20% (being gracious here, its probably actually higher) disadvantage over this team in player quality. Add in custom equipment and you are talking a 30% (even MORE gracious here) disadvantage over the fully boosted fully custom team.
The other leagues have a process of promotion and demotion that over time allows them to play against teams that are all within a 10% or less variance of one another. This means that a coordinator only really has to out-coach another player to stand a chance in the game, I mean we all know this game is a game that is also luck based, as every outcome is effected by 100 "rolls" that on any odd day could just hit "yes" in your favor; but, does this opportunity actually exist when your 30% behind your opponents in the game, hell no.
My point is that right now, as it has been for some time, you can and will buy a silver league (at least silver) trophy if you boost your entire team, because even vs coordinators whom have proven themselves in Gold time and time again can not overcome a 30% disadvantage. This means that whether GLB wants to admit it or not the game is NOT free to play at the peewee level no matter how many people you recruit to join your team... and it never will be free.
What!!!? It isn't free and that is ruining the game?... No.... the point is that this game has always relied on a free user experience lasting long enough to allow one to work past the extremely "nerdy" outlook of this game to find its core value. In peewee, and Rookie leagues where users are not given this experience the appeal of the game absolutely just doesn't exist to those that haven't already been playing for a long time.
The point I've made a thousand times in the past, and a point I will continue to relay in my 2 post per week I'm allotted by my dignity, until a team who does not boost has a chance to beat a team that does boost in the Peewee leagues, the peewee league will continue to shrink in user-base over time until it dissipates completely, and in time GLB along with it because of this actually exaggerated effect in Rookie leagues.
Whoring? I remember you sending the Owner of Rockford a fairly long PM basically asking to Coach the team in the Playoffs... Just sayin....
Glad to see someone besides myself finally noticed something I've pointed out since, what, season 14?
But, at this point you guys are actually pointing the finger at the wrong thing...
Does whoring yourself all over the place cause a negative impact on the peewee leagues in general, hell yes.
Does handing people AIs that they will use without reason and never make a positive change to pretty much inhibit them not only from ever really enjoying the game, but ever getting better at it, hell yes.
Is that why peewee is now a crock of shit, hell no.
Peewee has and always will be limited by the fact that the difference between a boosting team and a nonboosting team is far greater than that of any of the other leagues (besides the Rookie leagues, which are actually much worse off than the others since the induction of level 4 leagues).
Let me explain: If you don't boost in the peewee league then compared to a team who fully boost you are at at least a 20% (being gracious here, its probably actually higher) disadvantage over this team in player quality. Add in custom equipment and you are talking a 30% (even MORE gracious here) disadvantage over the fully boosted fully custom team.
The other leagues have a process of promotion and demotion that over time allows them to play against teams that are all within a 10% or less variance of one another. This means that a coordinator only really has to out-coach another player to stand a chance in the game, I mean we all know this game is a game that is also luck based, as every outcome is effected by 100 "rolls" that on any odd day could just hit "yes" in your favor; but, does this opportunity actually exist when your 30% behind your opponents in the game, hell no.
My point is that right now, as it has been for some time, you can and will buy a silver league (at least silver) trophy if you boost your entire team, because even vs coordinators whom have proven themselves in Gold time and time again can not overcome a 30% disadvantage. This means that whether GLB wants to admit it or not the game is NOT free to play at the peewee level no matter how many people you recruit to join your team... and it never will be free.
What!!!? It isn't free and that is ruining the game?... No.... the point is that this game has always relied on a free user experience lasting long enough to allow one to work past the extremely "nerdy" outlook of this game to find its core value. In peewee, and Rookie leagues where users are not given this experience the appeal of the game absolutely just doesn't exist to those that haven't already been playing for a long time.
The point I've made a thousand times in the past, and a point I will continue to relay in my 2 post per week I'm allotted by my dignity, until a team who does not boost has a chance to beat a team that does boost in the Peewee leagues, the peewee league will continue to shrink in user-base over time until it dissipates completely, and in time GLB along with it because of this actually exaggerated effect in Rookie leagues.
Whoring? I remember you sending the Owner of Rockford a fairly long PM basically asking to Coach the team in the Playoffs... Just sayin....
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Originally posted by bryceps2
I would disagree.. I'm not a Gold Coach and the Jesus Freaks are doing pretty well...
I'm relatively new considering probably nobody knows who I am...
Who are you? GTFO of my Gold! LOL
I would disagree.. I'm not a Gold Coach and the Jesus Freaks are doing pretty well...
I'm relatively new considering probably nobody knows who I am...
Who are you? GTFO of my Gold! LOL
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Originally posted by 89stepside
Originally posted by bryceps2
I would disagree.. I'm not a Gold Coach and the Jesus Freaks are doing pretty well...
I'm relatively new considering probably nobody knows who I am...
Who are you? GTFO of my Gold! LOL
Haha.. Might be in Gold next Season.. Between Extreme(OC), Rockford(OC), Jesus(HC) and Middleville(HC) I have a good chance...
Originally posted by bryceps2
I would disagree.. I'm not a Gold Coach and the Jesus Freaks are doing pretty well...
I'm relatively new considering probably nobody knows who I am...
Who are you? GTFO of my Gold! LOL
Haha.. Might be in Gold next Season.. Between Extreme(OC), Rockford(OC), Jesus(HC) and Middleville(HC) I have a good chance...
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Originally posted by bryceps2
Haha.. Might be in Gold next Season.. Between Extreme(OC), Rockford(OC), Jesus(HC) and Middleville(HC) I have a good chance...
Nah, you suck too much
Haha.. Might be in Gold next Season.. Between Extreme(OC), Rockford(OC), Jesus(HC) and Middleville(HC) I have a good chance...
Nah, you suck too much
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Originally posted by zmj44
Originally posted by bryceps2
Haha.. Might be in Gold next Season.. Between Extreme(OC), Rockford(OC), Jesus(HC) and Middleville(HC) I have a good chance...
Nah, you suck too much
True!
Originally posted by bryceps2
Haha.. Might be in Gold next Season.. Between Extreme(OC), Rockford(OC), Jesus(HC) and Middleville(HC) I have a good chance...
Nah, you suck too much
True!
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