Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
You really need to learn how to write better. That was the most incoherent post I've read in a long time. Please re-type it again, and make sure that what you are trying to say is actually clear.

maybe you just suck at comprehension, seemed like an ok post to me

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
I agree that he should treat the complaints of the "average user" the same as the complaints of "the right people." Unfortunately, that isn't the case. However, his differential treatment of the users doesn't excuse what happened here. It may not be fair that some people get punished and others don't (though there will always be arguments that distinguish between the different situations), but the agents who did this can't claim that they didn't do anything. They chose to do what they did and now they have to live with the consequences. Arguing that some other people did some other thing that should be punished won't get them off from being punished for the actions committed.

I'm not advocating punishment or non-punishment on this specific issue with my post. Just a clarification.

Really, it was just Bort making comments about not wanting users to ruin the gaming experience for others. I remember clearly our DC getting nothing from admin/support/bugs forum during season 7 which led to the downfall of a great team due to a "throwing hands up in the air." The entire league was compromised and we surely were not the only ones pissed about the situation...Many other teams/players were frustrated. Our league stood out cuz we had a team sell out on the strategy for 2 full seasons. So many were pissed....and not until folks started really hitting their stride in complaining about slamgate in late season 8 did they even address the issue. I would be even so bold to assume that it was probably when some of the "in crowd" finally started realizing the lunacy of the situation and brought it to Admin that Bort even bothered.

That's my perception...and frankly, the more I believe it to be fact...The more it pisses me off.

What i don't understand, is it that hard to just play the game as it was intended. Why do everything possible to try and break the system and make things less enjoyable for others? It's basically trolling but via the actual sim rather than the forums (well forums too but that's a different thing). I've seen trolls even ones who don't use racism/homophobic slurs and other stuff like that get banned from forums before. It's up to the whim of the person who runs the site (game in this case). A clause could easily be put in the terms saying something where if Bort or administrators felt that someone was lessening the experience for others they could be banned based on their judgement.

Also, it doesn't say they have to add a new definition of cheating. It says you can't cheat in a broad sense that can be interpreted. They can ban someone and explain their interpretation of cheating and they'd be SOL. I think some of the hali guys think the Terms are a lot more concrete and protective than they really are. Bans can still happen based on bort's judgement even in the current terms

Originally posted by chronoaug
What i don't understand, is it that hard to just play the game as it was intended. Why do everything possible to try and break the system and make things less enjoyable for others? It's basically trolling but via the actual sim rather than the forums (well forums too but that's a different thing). I've seen trolls even ones who don't use racism/homophobic slurs and other stuff like that get banned from forums before. It's up to the whim of the person who runs the site (game in this case). A clause could easily be put in the terms saying something where if Bort or administrators felt that someone was lessening the experience for others they could be banned based on their judgement.

Also, it doesn't say they have to add a new definition of cheating. It says you can't cheat in a broad sense that can be interpreted. They can ban someone and explain their interpretation of cheating and they'd be SOL. I think some of the hali guys think the Terms are a lot more concrete and protective than they really are

Why do people break laws? Why do laws exist? What happens when laws do not exist?

Originally posted by chronoaug
What i don't understand, is it that hard to just play the game as it was intended. Why do everything possible to try and break the system and make things less enjoyable for others? It's basically trolling but via the actual sim rather than the forums (well forums too but that's a different thing). I've seen trolls even ones who don't use racism/homophobic slurs and other stuff like that get banned from forums before. It's up to the whim of the person who runs the site (game in this case). A clause could easily be put in the terms saying something where if Bort or administrators felt that someone was lessening the experience for others they could be banned based on their judgement.

Also, it doesn't say they have to add a new definition of cheating. It says you can't cheat in a broad sense that can be interpreted. They can ban someone and explain their interpretation of cheating and they'd be SOL. I think some of the hali guys think the Terms are a lot more concrete and protective than they really are. Bans can still happen based on bort's judgement even in the current terms

it's because of loldots, which i believe i summarized somewhere on the trashheap the other day. I'm sure the thread is deleted now or something.

Originally posted by silenthatred
What the "may change at anytime" part fails to mention is that under a legally binding contract, when terms DO change, notice has to be given. You can't just change them and say "Oh, well this is what I meant" after the fact. The other party then has right to terminate if they do not agree to the new terms. And there is a standing definition in Websters and the meaning in the English language. Do those count?

Edit: And this was soooooo brought to the attention of the administrators, so I'm not sure why you bolded that part.

If we were arguing in a court of law, that argument might fly (depending on the law of the state in which litigation takes place), but we are on GLB. You can argue that Bort should have to give notice, and if people get banned and want to sue, they can argue that Bort should of had to give notice, but at this point Bort can decide whether or not what they did was cheating and act accordingly.

There are a whole lot of other issues in your argument that there is a contract and he has to give notice, but I've already aced contracts, and I don't really want to have to go through another mini-exam question.

Originally posted by silenthatred
Why do people break laws? Why do laws exist? What happens when laws do not exist?

hahahaha. oh geez. i'm done with this. you really don't understand i guess. i feel like i'm talking to my little high school brother who just learned about american govt and whatnot (kevin?). Feel free to rage and whine if/when (probably won't happen) bort does something to gart/hali/gms/kyschic/whomever. Will be funny to watch everyone who claim to care so little get so up in arms

Originally posted by chronoaug
Originally posted by silenthatred

Why do people break laws? Why do laws exist? What happens when laws do not exist?

hahahaha. oh geez. i'm done with this. you really don't understand i guess. i feel like i'm talking to my little high school brother who just learned about american govt and whatnot (kevin?). Feel free to rage and whine if/when (probably won't happen) bort does something to gart/hali/gms/kyschic/whomever. Will be funny to watch everyone who claim to care so little get so up in arms

You feel like you are talking to your high school brother yet you said this: "What i don't understand, is it that hard to just play the game as it was intended." I feel like I'm talking to a naive 25 year old. And then you said "I" don't really understand???? I completely understand people. Which is what I was trying to get you to do with those questions. But I guess even making it high school simple for you was even too much.

Edit: Also lol at the dismissive "I'm done with you" attitude. But I'm the high school one right? Right?

Originally posted by jdros13
Made a statement that what was ok to do?

Yes, it is clearly permitted to coordinate for 2 teams right now - I'm doing it poorly myself. Not sure where you are taking the leap to "it's now clearly permitted to damage the GLB experience for other users since I can be the Owner/Coordinator for 2 different teams." Pretty big stretch there.

Originally posted by silenthatred
Saying that what he did damaged the GLB experience for others is a pretty big stretch. I said before this would work better if you all could respond without saying how you feel personally affected, but that's all it is. This is a community, how you personally feel doesn't matter when speaking in terms of the community. How damaging was this to the overall community of GLB? That is the degree at which it should matter.

I don't feel personally affected - that is the funny part. I'm not sure where in my quote I say I have been. I actually like Gart and coordinated with him for a couple of seasons. I don't think I've ever said that my experience was ruined either in my previous posts - nor do I think I've inferred it.

Clearly however, this struck a nerve with a fair number people within the community and as (I would assume) a PSU student or alum you clearly would be smart enough to realize that.

Bort does have an opportunity to clarify what this game is supposed to be for those that pay for it. What he does or does not do will say a lot about what his vision is for the game. Since you seem to be interested in my personal feelings, In my opinion nothing will be done because my perception is that the administrative staff has grown apathetic about their product and are allowing the inmates to run the asylum so to speak. In my opinion it is a mistake to run a business that way and it is not in the best interests of GLB to permit users to influence the game experience in a negative way for other users.

There is no room for interpretation in this case - it was deliberate and has sparked a negative reaction from some members of the community. This could go 2 different ways in my opinion. Either anything goes and it is completely up to the users to determine the direction of this product or Bort and Co. have a vision for their game and this action does not coincide with that vision. Based on his initial statement on the subject I would assume that he thinks he falls in the latter category, but in my opinion his actions will actually determine if that is the case or not.

While this isolated incident had no real effect on me, I am very interested in the outcome because it will help clarify to me what this product is supposed to be about.

why is your fun more important than my fun?

Originally posted by Wylker
why is your fun more important than my fun?

If your fun is the direction that this game wants to take, then so be it. If that doesn't match my idea of fun then I should look elsewhere. The same goes for you.

Originally posted by Wylker
why is your fun more important than my fun?

In my opinion, there is more money in the long run for Bort by providing a fun experience for agents who want to be serious about dotball, then for agents that want to fuck with other agents.

I think this is a fairly obvious assessment, but I could be wrong.

Originally posted by jdros13
Originally posted by Wylker

why is your fun more important than my fun?

If your fun is the direction that this game wants to take, then so be it. If that doesn't match my idea of fun then I should look elsewhere. The same goes for you.

What if I have the ability to have fun either way?

Originally posted by The Duff Man
In my opinion, there is more money in the long run for Bort by providing a fun experience for agents who want to be serious about dotball, then for agents that want to fuck with other agents.

I think this is a fairly obvious assessment, but I could be wrong.



i think your repeated assumption that you can't enjoy the dots because of anything I do is ridiculous and the fact that you keep ignoring all proof to the contrary means that you have no valid complaint and instead just like to whine and cry and hope that someone will make the world a happy fuzzy place for you.

Originally posted by Wylker
why is your fun more important than my fun?

It's not a pissing contest between the fun of two individuals. It's between a few people and everyone else. The good of the many outweigh the good of the few. Although, in this case, the few just want to piss on everything so it's not really even any good.