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Originally posted by Gott
The play I linked was just like the one in the original post of that thread you linked.

The first link in that thread: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=712918&pbp_id=7987552

The sack you got against us: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10564192


You're saying because our DC blitzed the MLB and the SS, it's an exploit?


Is this whole rant you're on an accusation that we exploited the game to beat you, and if we hadn't run a particular defensive play, we would've lost or something?



Gee, I never mentioned you guys ... feeling guilty? lol Geezus christ!

As for the exploit at hand ... that isnt the exploit I am talking about ... I posted the wrong thread link ... as I went to read if anyone else was having an issue with teams running the same defensive play over and over again knowing full well the result ... the kind of plays I am talking about is lining up the MLB on the LOS between the LDE & the NT ... every play that is run from that formation ... the MLB gets a free run into the back field unblocked and ignored by both the RG & RT

Originally posted by Gunner65
Gee, I never mentioned you guys ... feeling guilty? lol Geezus christ!

The owner of your team linked a play from our game against you.


Originally posted by that1guy
that's not the exploit. i just set that play up to look like an overload blitz strong side and instead blitz the weak side LB. the exploit basically lines the MLB up on the d line NT between the C and RG with the LE between the RT and TE, which leaves the MLB completely free to just charge through. if the o line was able to recognize the extra guy on the line and adjust it wouldn't be such a big deal but since they can't, the formation becomes an exploit.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10555325


This sounds like an accusation to me.


How about the stuff I edited in?

Wouldn't this be the same thing, just on the other side of the line? http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10557898


What about this play? http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10557644

I know the forums were up in arms about this stuff with DEs not too long ago.

So you are showing me a standard goal line play & a play where the LB blitzes from a standard positions vs. what our team owner posted? Riiiightttt!

My point stands, I didnt mention you guys ... this isn't the first game that this obvious and well known exploit has been used against teams I am a part of in some form or fashion ... so the fact you are defending up against plays that are comletely different it just makes you guys look that much more guilty to me

Originally posted by Gott

This sounds like an accusation to me.


How about the stuff I edited in?

Wouldn't this be the same thing, just on the other side of the line? http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10557898


What about this play? http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10557644




take it as an accusation if you want, u guys used it, don't get pissed that you got called on it.

honestly, i don't give a damn. if its in the game its in the game. i didn't know that the exploit existed, Gunner pointed it out to me today with some examples from the game today and i posted one of them. we lost, whatever, it happens. i wish that it had not been pointed out because people that didn't know about it will now and i'm sure we'll see it a lot more now and that sux.

look at the plays you posted and the one that i posted. u can easily see that he LB on the play i posted is playing on the line. the ones you posted have the LBs playing up with a run focus, but definitely not on the line with the d linemen.

the other play looks like a goal line stop formation to me. how can u call that it an exploit? 1 yds for a first down inside the redzone, its an obvious running situation and i called a goal line play to stuff it. your guy gained like 12 yds before he fumbled so tell me how i exploited something?

But let me break it down for you:

Your defense:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10555325
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10556319
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10556416

I would paste more, but those are enough examples of the formation you guys ran the majority of the game. Trust me ... I have seen it in enough games this season to be able to identify it.

But, on EVERY play the RG doubles down to block the NT to aid the Center ... ignoring the MLB ... it is a WELL known bug ... and I really find it hard to believe most teams that run this exploit are "ignorant" of that fact that it is an unresolved bug.

Your two examples of us:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10557898 - We have the MLB & ROLB shifted to the right to defend the Weak I Formation which is NOT and exploit, just a good defensive strategy ... the difference being is that there is NO way to stop the RG from not blocking the MLB ... that is what makes it an exploit.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10557644 - This example its just freaking laughable ... you point out a goal line defense in defense of your exploit??? ... please man ... please tell me you have something better then that ... you are just grasping now.


All that said, I dont know who would have won today ... you may very well still won the game ... but dont try to defend it bro ... its just not gonna sell

Originally posted by Gunner65
So you are showing me a standard goal line play & a play where the LB blitzes from a standard positions vs. what our team owner posted? Riiiightttt!

My point stands, I didnt mention you guys ... this isn't the first game that this obvious and well known exploit has been used against teams I am a part of in some form or fashion ... so the fact you are defending up against plays that are comletely different it just makes you guys look that much more guilty to me



I showed a play that is the same thing you guys are talking about, where the LB was lined up between two guys and went in unchecked. Same principle to me.

And it doesn't matter if you mentioned us. Your owner started pointing fingers, while you're on your little crusade. Last I checked, 1+1=2.

And I'm neither aware of any exploit or how it works. I haven't ever even touched the advanced defensive AI. Ever. And I currently don't touch either AI for BCP. That's our coordinators.


Originally posted by that1guy
take it as an accusation if you want, u guys used it, don't get pissed that you got called on it.

honestly, i don't give a damn. if its in the game its in the game. i didn't know that the exploit existed, Gunner pointed it out to me today with some examples from the game today and i posted one of them. we lost, whatever, it happens. i wish that it had not been pointed out because people that didn't know about it will now and i'm sure we'll see it a lot more now and that sux.

look at the plays you posted and the one that i posted. u can easily see that he LB on the play i posted is playing on the line. the ones you posted have the LBs playing up with a run focus, but definitely not on the line with the d linemen.

the other play looks like a goal line stop formation to me. how can u call that it an exploit? 1 yds for a first down inside the redzone, its an obvious running situation and i called a goal line play to stuff it. your guy gained like 12 yds before he fumbled so tell me how i exploited something?



I thought your little rant was about a play that allowed a LB to run in unaccosted? I linked two plays where that happened.

How is our DC exploiting something, yet you aren't? What's the difference if the LB is lined up a little closer to the line or not? He's still unblocked. If he's closer to the line, the defense is just more susceptible to a different play.

And the one play was about how the DE shot through the line like a cannon. I'm unsure of the specifics, but I was sure that was something all the kiddies were screaming about not too long ago as being an exploit. It wasn't about the fumble. I'm sure that was just an issue of multiple morale-reducers on tackles he broke, but that's another issue altogether.

Hello. BCP DC here.

Barbary Coast plays a base 5-3 defensive set. The MLB acts as the second defensive tackle. We've been running that set all season. In fact, we've been running that set since last season. http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=608047&pbp_id=15794918.

That post was made on August 27th.

Anyone who says I'm exploiting a cheat can kiss my butt. Seriously, have your facts straight first. GG thread indeed.

Dude ... give it up ... your examples are so different compared to the exploit you run ... but it is OK, you won your game ... and please by all means, go ahead and play ignorant of the fact that its an exploit ... you have your victory & your perfect record in tact ... go be happy with it

Originally posted by Papa Zito
Hello. BCP DC here.

Barbary Coast plays a base 5-3 defensive set. The MLB acts as the second defensive tackle. We've been running that set all season. In fact, we've been running that set since last season. http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=608047&pbp_id=15794918.

That post was made on August 27th.

Anyone who says I'm exploiting a cheat can kiss my butt. Seriously, have your facts straight first. GG thread indeed.

Its a well known exploit that GLB is aware of ...so please by all means take advantage of it while you can ... once its gone you can move on to the next one

Originally posted by Gunner65
But let me break it down for you:

Your defense:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10555325
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10556319
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10556416

I would paste more, but those are enough examples of the formation you guys ran the majority of the game. Trust me ... I have seen it in enough games this season to be able to identify it.

But, on EVERY play the RG doubles down to block the NT to aid the Center ... ignoring the MLB ... it is a WELL known bug ... and I really find it hard to believe most teams that run this exploit are "ignorant" of that fact that it is an unresolved bug.

Your two examples of us:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10557898 - We have the MLB & ROLB shifted to the right to defend the Weak I Formation which is NOT and exploit, just a good defensive strategy ... the difference being is that there is NO way to stop the RG from not blocking the MLB ... that is what makes it an exploit.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10557644 - This example its just freaking laughable ... you point out a goal line defense in defense of your exploit??? ... please man ... please tell me you have something better then that ... you are just grasping now.


All that said, I dont know who would have won today ... you may very well still won the game ... but dont try to defend it bro ... its just not gonna sell


I just took a look at where our DC was running his 5-3 defense. It makes perfect sense, to me, to run that defense, that he's been running since last season, in those situations. Our MLB went in untouched; yours went in untouched. To me, this seems more like an issue of poor programming.

Yet you're coming in here, because despite all of those high level players, you lost. And you're accusing Zito of using some "well-known" exploit. Sorry, but he's just running a five man front, and he's been doing it since last season. Also, not everyone reads the public forums. I can't even remember the last time I was in the Bugs forum, where I imagine you're getting all of your information.

As far as my examples, I just grabbed a couple plays where Auer broke tackles in the backfield. And I find it very humorous that you're pointing fingers about one play, with a LB going untouched, yet condoning another, where the same thing happens. Your rationale is that one is a custom play, and another is not? Again, maybe you should be pissed at bort, and not Zito.

The other example was only pasted, because I could've sworn I saw people bitching about DCs lining up DEs in such a way that they shoot through the line like a cannon. Also, I have no clue if it's the basic GL defense or not. I haven't paid attention to those formations in a very long time. I leave that to Zito. But my point is where do you draw the line on what is or isn't an "exploit?"

Do you use the defensive play creator? It seems to me that it needs to be removed, if that's causing you so much grief. Go crusade for that.

And you can find out if you would've won, if we meet in week one of the playoffs. Of course, the circumstances will be different, since all of our players will be at least one level higher, while many of yours will be the same.


Originally posted by Gunner65
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=733875&pbp_id=10557644 - This example its just freaking laughable ... you point out a goal line defense in defense of your exploit??? ... please man ... please tell me you have something better then that ... you are just grasping now.

Seriously, how old are you?

Originally posted by Papa Zito
GG thread indeed.

This wasn't even supposed to be a GG thread. It was a joke.

This is why I don't believe in all that GG stuff. It's either one team coming in and gloating about their win, or a team coming in, all butt-hurt, making excuses why they lost, like today.

i didnt wanna mention it, but I had noticed it too from Barbary Coast when we played them

Originally posted by Gott
This wasn't even supposed to be a GG thread. It was a joke.

This is why I don't believe in all that GG stuff. It's either one team coming in and gloating about their win, or a team coming in, all butt-hurt, making excuses why they lost, like today.




What is hilarious is what lengths teams will go to to defend their use of exploits ... trust me dude, I could care less about your victory ... my initial comment in this thread was not pointed only at your team ... I was responding to the post above my OP ... I did point it out to our team today that you guys used it ... but I never expected it to blow up like this. But the fact that you guys have jumped all over it and tried to defend a well known & obvious exploit is what is making me chuckle to no end ... did you know it was an exploit? We'll never know .. because if you did, you obviously aren't manning up to it ... and if you didnt ... is anyone really going to believe it? Doubtful ... so its a moot point ... take your win and be happy ... this ain't worth my time either way

Originally posted by TDiddy8701
i didnt wanna mention it, but I had noticed it too from Barbary Coast when we played them

Everyone we've played can probably mention it, since he's been using that created play for two seasons now.

It's probably just more obvious to a team like Pretoria, who run up the middle from a particular formation, than it is to a team like Quicoma, that passes all day.


And since this screaming began, I've also checked a few plays against other teams, and other teams do the same thing. And LBs run in untouched from different areas as well. Blocking just sucks.

I guess that issue isn't in the Bugs forum, because I can only see the thread that that1guy linked, which apparently isn't the issue...