Warrior General Games

Originally posted by StiffarmSteve
Good lord I love fantasy football talk.


Tbqh, not a big fan. I'm not a fan of putting a player above a team.

but favre is da awesomest qb eva!!!1!

Originally posted by randey
but favre is da awesomest qb eva!!!1!



Omg liek 3 time MVP

Edit: Just to remind people, one of his MVPs (well, co-MVP) was shared with Sanders, who had rushed for over 2,000 yards and averaged over 6 ypc (I think highest total in a season with xxx amount of rushes). On the Lions. Who were no better than they are today.

Originally posted by soapbox
Originally posted by randey

but favre is da awesomest qb eva!!!1!



Omg liek 3 time MVP

Test of Soap's knowledge of the NFL:

Who wins each division in the AFC and NFC?

Originally posted by randey
Originally posted by soapbox

Originally posted by randey


but favre is da awesomest qb eva!!!1!



Omg liek 3 time MVP

Test of Soap's knowledge of the NFL:

Who wins each division in the AFC and NFC?

Actually I think the only two true blunders I made last season were predicting the Patriots, then the Bills to win the AFC East.

This season?

The AFC is easy... Steelers, Pats, Colts, Chargers. If Manning didn't have two knee surgeries the Colts woulda won last season too.

NFC is tricky because there are two teams in all divisions. Cards (called them last season btw)/Seahawks, Vikings/Packers (lol@bears), Eagles/Giants, Panthers/Falcons. There's good reason to take any of them.

Personally, I think the Packers will take another year to adjust to the defense (Kampman looked uncomfortable in his new 3-4 OLB/DE position people said), so I'm taking the Vikings.

I don't want to believe the hype around the Eagles, but it's hard to deny that Jason Peters is an upgrade from the getting-old Tra Thomas. I personally don't think Maclin + Jackson is a very good complement at WR because they're both small speedsters against a secondary-stacked NFC East. Also, without Dawkins, it'll be interesting to see how their defense can rally (lost Trotter the year before... lose leader after leader). Oh, and that Jim Johnson guy isn't coaching atm.

That said, even though I wanna take the Giants (Umenyiora back, etc), I have to go with the Eagles. Giants lost Derrick Ward and Plaxico Burress. This may not ultimately affect them as much as people think it will, but until we see them play, they can't be the NFCE favorites.

NFC South is even more of a bitch imo. Panthers/Falcons, and then you can't forget the Saints (major upgrades on defense) nor the Bucs. I'll ignore the Bucs for now unless Freeman pulls a Matt Ryan (and not a Joe Flacco because he won't have the defense to help him). The Saints are a "wait and see" team for me too... especially if Drew Brees is gonna have to pass like that again.

Panthers didn't have a great draft, and Delhomme is getting shaky. Falcons had a good offseason, but how will they handle their success?

I'm gonna have to go with Carolina because of the running game, which is a top 2 running game (Minny and Carolina). Deangelo Williams is sicknasty and, for you fantasy folk, I think having both RBs on your team is a pretty smart move (not even just for cuffing).

So, NFC: Carolina/Arizona/Philadelphia/Minnesota.

And inb4 Cowboys. They don't have an identity. I'm not the biggest believer in needing one, but what strikes me is that the Cowboys look like they need one, and they doubt themselves. They really seem to be struggling to find an answer, and Jerry Jones is one of the worst owners in the league.

Edit: You asked for predictions...right?

E2: ^^ All off the top of my head. I may have forgotten some things.

E3 [getting fun for me now]: The reason I say lol@bears is simple. Quarterbacking. Wat? Yeah. Kyle Orton is wholly underrated. I don't even think Denver will be much worse off this year (unless they ship out Brandon Marshall, in which case, hello top 10 pick). Why? Bears Oline sucks, Bears WRs suck. Their #1 is a fucking converted CB who has run routes for 2 seasons. Once teams realize the Bears have 1 speed WR and the rest are just...well...bad... they'll double Hester (cloud coverage) and the top will play 10-15 yards off, eliminating the deep route. After that, single up on the other WRs and play heavy in the middle. The Bears have two GREAT TEs and a surprisingly good pass catching RB, but that's it. If you make the middle of the field a cluster fuck, the Oline will have to block in order for the TEs to do anything. And, oh yeah, they can't. Not against Jared Allen, Aaron Kampman (3-4 or 4-3), and...well yeah they can block the Lions. The Bears aren't built to have a great team this year. If they draft Julio Jones and a bunch of OL, then yeah, they have an opportunity to be a top team in a few years.

Cutler's overrated. Denver was either 1 or 1a as far as blocking last year (only competition - Titans). He's got arm strength, but he's reckless. Take away his blocking, and that means he'll be more likely to throw into coverage than throw it away. He'll turn the ball over more. There'll be more drops because he throws so hard that his receivers won't catch as well (I promise Forte's drops increase).

Cutler's a GREAT thrower, a decent passer, and an average decision maker. That is like the perfect storm for a team without an oline.

Cowboys will beat the Packers again in Lambeau.
NFC EAST-Boys
NFC North Vikings
NFC West- 49ers
NFC South-Carolina

AFC East-Pats
AFC North- Steelers
AFC South- Indy
AFC West-Chargers

Originally posted by soapbox
Originally posted by randey

but favre is da awesomest qb eva!!!1!



Omg liek 3 time MVP

Edit: Just to remind people, one of his MVPs (well, co-MVP) was shared with Sanders, who had rushed for over 2,000 yards and averaged over 6 ypc (I think highest total in a season with xxx amount of rushes). On the Lions. Who were no better than they are today.

Another reminder his first MVP came when Emmitt borke the single TD mark and the Boys won the SB, Favre shouldn't have won that one either

Yah, i shoulda edited in "predictions" but you hit em pretty well. Gotta say I agree with practically everything you posted. Although I'm going to declare a darkhorse. I typically try to find that one team every year that comes from nowhere to be much better than expected. This year I'm going to say Denver wins the AFC West over the Chargers. I don't know what it is, but the Chargers just don't enamor me at all.

Norv Turner is doing the same old same old, and is it just me or has AJ had quite a few down drafts now? Imo, Denver wins that last game and goes to the playoffs had Peyton Hillis not been injured, as I watched that game I had to think that Denver played without a running game, everything was a gimick pitch or screen. It appears their 7th string RB wasn't as good as the first 6 lol. Their line is very good, and I think that Orton will be a fine game manager for the offense being implemented by McDaniels. Add to the mix a backfield tandem of Hillis (power) and Moreno (speed / agility), and Orton won't be asked for too much. Plus, he'll actually have a few receivers now, I like the potential of Eddie Royal, Marshall is good (doesn't look like Denver is going to give in to his demands), and Gaffney / stokely provide great depth. Orton will have plenty of weapons imo.

The problem last year was defense. Dumping bly and bringing in Goodman and Hill from Miami were pretty solid. And Dawkins is not only an upgrade on the field, but brings an attitude that has been sorely missing from that defense. They won't be a top 10 defense by any stretch of the imagination, but I think they'll do enough to be better than 8-8 like last season, which may just be enough to win the division. The Chargers in my mind haven't done anything to solidify their hold on the division.

P.S. I agree with all the other winners of the divisions that you laid out.

Originally posted by SheVegas
Originally posted by soapbox
Originally posted by randey
but favre is da awesomest qb eva!!!1!

Omg liek 3 time MVP

Edit: Just to remind people, one of his MVPs (well, co-MVP) was shared with Sanders, who had rushed for over 2,000 yards and averaged over 6 ypc (I think highest total in a season with xxx amount of rushes). On the Lions. Who were no better than they are today.

Another reminder his first MVP came when Emmitt borke the single TD mark and the Boys won the SB, Favre shouldn't have won that one either

MVP comes before the superbowl...not sure if you knew.

As for the Chargers, randey - I don't really think they've had down years. They just have no needs, so they draft what fits in their system and develop the players. How many huge names do you hear when the Patriots or Steelers draft? Not many. They draft players that fit, then develop them.

Edit: Oh, and I doubt Marshall will be a Bronco for long, so I'm not giving the Broncs much of a chance. Plus, I wonder how much cred McDaniels has.

Originally posted by soapbox
Originally posted by SheVegas

Originally posted by soapbox

Originally posted by randey

but favre is da awesomest qb eva!!!1!

Omg liek 3 time MVP

Edit: Just to remind people, one of his MVPs (well, co-MVP) was shared with Sanders, who had rushed for over 2,000 yards and averaged over 6 ypc (I think highest total in a season with xxx amount of rushes). On the Lions. Who were no better than they are today.

Another reminder his first MVP came when Emmitt borke the single TD mark and the Boys won the SB, Favre shouldn't have won that one either

MVP comes before the superbowl...not sure if you knew.

As for the Chargers, randey - I don't really think they've had down years. They just have no needs, so they draft what fits in their system and develop the players. How many huge names do you hear when the Patriots or Steelers draft? Not many. They draft players that fit, then develop them.

Edit: Oh, and I doubt Marshall will be a Bronco for long, so I'm not giving the Broncs much of a chance. Plus, I wonder how much cred McDaniels has.

Yah, but look how developed the chargers were when merriman was hurt. For the best talented roster or close to it, 8-8 is pathetic. And honestly? I don't see much of that changing. LT gets older, sproles may not last durability wise the whole season, lost that DE of theirs (name escapes me), chambers, the only good wr, is older and slower... I'm just buying into the hype really. I don't see any talent emerging to replace their current guys, its a team on the decline imo.

Here's the thing, its not the big names in the draft, its the names that become big out of the draft. Patriots got brady, steelers always draft well, but in those drafts they come up with a few super stars, and then fill in quality role players around them. The Chargers (in my mind) have a lot of those filler roles, but lack those "true" playmakers to build the team on. Rivers is one of the few bright spot on that team under 28ish. I just don't see that younger generation of young talent emerging imo.

On the other hand, the Broncos have players like Moreno, Hillis, Clady, Ayers, Alphonso Smith, ect that they can build that team on for the next decade. I think there is a lot more upside there. Also, as a former fantasy owner of Marshall, I've followed that debacle pretty closely. He's in camp right now, reporting and rehabbing his hip he had surgery on this offseason. He played on it all season, and still put up some good numbers! But anyways, the Broncos org. holds all the cards on this one, they have listened to offers, but the highest they got was a 2nd round pick, and they want at least a first rounder PLUS a competent WR too. So there's a 99% chance he stays lol, no one wants to risk that much on a player who is shipped out of the league with one more slip up, no matter how minor. I'd say the Broncos will keep him, and renegotiate his contract when and if he proves himself off the field and on it this season.

All in all the AFC West is pretty horrible, 10-6 could easily seal the division lol.

Actually dude, the Chargers weren't just hurt by Merriman. Cromartie had a bad hip last year and more or less SUCKED.

I think the Chiefs are more loaded for the future than anyone in the AFC West (I dunno about the deal they gave Cassel... but for a 2nd round pick it wasn't too much they gave up).

Last year was an off year for the Chargers. 3 of their best players were hurt. LT was clearly still hurtin, Cromartie was hurt, and Merriman was obv hurt. That being said, they certainly underachieved, but I mean I wouldn't count them out of the AFC West. Rivers is a great QB (honestly, 2004 QB draft class... championship). Sproles, LT, Vincent Jackson, Gates, etc.

I'd be hard pressed to take a Broncos team (new HC, new GM or w/e, new QB, probably losing their star WR [2 of their 3 probowlers iirc]) over the Chargers.

Oh, McNeill also played TERRIBLY last season.

Originally posted by soapbox
Actually dude, the Chargers weren't just hurt by Merriman. Cromartie had a bad hip last year and more or less SUCKED.

I think the Chiefs are more loaded for the future than anyone in the AFC West (I dunno about the deal they gave Cassel... but for a 2nd round pick it wasn't too much they gave up).

Last year was an off year for the Chargers. 3 of their best players were hurt. LT was clearly still hurtin, Cromartie was hurt, and Merriman was obv hurt. That being said, they certainly underachieved, but I mean I wouldn't count them out of the AFC West. Rivers is a great QB (honestly, 2004 QB draft class... championship). Sproles, LT, Vincent Jackson, Gates, etc.

I'd be hard pressed to take a Broncos team (new HC, new GM or w/e, new QB, probably losing their star WR [2 of their 3 probowlers iirc]) over the Chargers.

Oh, McNeill also played TERRIBLY last season.

Chiefs do have potential yes, but I'm not buying the Cassell hype myself. He's good no doubt, but just about anyone would have been good in that offense! I think Pioli works his magic in KC and makes them competitive, but their time won't be for another few years.

The Chargers sucked because of injuries, but how do you know they won't be plagued by them again? Merriman and LT both look to be injury prone imo, odds are late in the season one or both could be out. Gates is good, but how often do TE's win the game for you? Nice luxury item though... I agree the Chargers are better, but I'm taking the Broncos as my darkhorse to steal the division away cause everyone else is bashing them lol. Sorta like the 'Phins of last year, only in this case, there isn't a NE team that owns the division... I still maintain the Broncos won't trade marshall, they won't get the value they are looking for, and marshall has no weight to be sitting out, doing so would void his contract year and he'd be stuck in the exact same spot next year with no money earned. Besides, McDaniels may be a screwy GM, but as a coach I've followed him since his early days at NE. He'll be a refreshing change to a Broncos lockerroom that was stagnant under Shanahan as of late, his knowledge of the X's and O's are among the upper tier of coaches in the NFL.

Anyway, thats my best guess.

I'll take a reserve spot because I just now saw this and I'm an idiot...

Originally posted by soapbox
Originally posted by SheVegas

Originally posted by soapbox

Originally posted by randey

but favre is da awesomest qb eva!!!1!

Omg liek 3 time MVP

Edit: Just to remind people, one of his MVPs (well, co-MVP) was shared with Sanders, who had rushed for over 2,000 yards and averaged over 6 ypc (I think highest total in a season with xxx amount of rushes). On the Lions. Who were no better than they are today.

Another reminder his first MVP came when Emmitt borke the single TD mark and the Boys won the SB, Favre shouldn't have won that one either

MVP comes before the superbowl...not sure if you knew.

As for the Chargers, randey - I don't really think they've had down years. They just have no needs, so they draft what fits in their system and develop the players. How many huge names do you hear when the Patriots or Steelers draft? Not many. They draft players that fit, then develop them.

Edit: Oh, and I doubt Marshall will be a Bronco for long, so I'm not giving the Broncs much of a chance. Plus, I wonder how much cred McDaniels has.

No shit Sherlock, I have watched more games in my life then you ever have.

Originally posted by SheVegas
Originally posted by soapbox
Originally posted by SheVegas
Originally posted by soapbox
Originally posted by randey
but favre is da awesomest qb eva!!!1!

Omg liek 3 time MVP

Edit: Just to remind people, one of his MVPs (well, co-MVP) was shared with Sanders, who had rushed for over 2,000 yards and averaged over 6 ypc (I think highest total in a season with xxx amount of rushes). On the Lions. Who were no better than they are today.

Another reminder his first MVP came when Emmitt borke the single TD mark and the Boys won the SB, Favre shouldn't have won that one either

MVP comes before the superbowl...not sure if you knew.

As for the Chargers, randey - I don't really think they've had down years. They just have no needs, so they draft what fits in their system and develop the players. How many huge names do you hear when the Patriots or Steelers draft? Not many. They draft players that fit, then develop them.

Edit: Oh, and I doubt Marshall will be a Bronco for long, so I'm not giving the Broncs much of a chance. Plus, I wonder how much cred McDaniels has.

No shit Sherlock, I have watched more games in my life then you ever have.

Yet you included a SB in the regular season MVP discussion. Maybe you've watched more games (which I doubt), but certainly doesn't seem like you know much about football.