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Originally posted by taurran
You put something in quotes that I didn't type. At least, I don't remember typing it. Feel free to produce quotes that answer any of those questions for you.

If you haven't figured it out by now - What I'm saying is I don't believe any of that shit, on either side. Sometimes the only honest answer is that you don't know, and never will.



So you don't believe it then--that's what a "I don't know" answer equates to.
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

So you don't believe it then--that's what a "I don't know" answer equates to.


I guess you could say that. I also don't believe the official story.

It's similar to my position on religion - where I firmly believe that the only intellectually honest viewpoint is the agnostic one.
 
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i have never seen someone dodge a yes no question more than 3 times, i'm a believer
 
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Originally posted by lVlellovv
i have never seen someone dodge a yes no question more than 3 times, i'm a believer


Am I being detained? Am I free to go?
 
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Originally posted by baumusc
You don't remember because you haven't looked at real news sources about the subject. Plenty of evidence of planes hitting the sites has been released, just because infowars says it hasn't doesn't make it true.

https://sites.google.com/site/911stories/insidethesouthtower%3Aeyewitnessaccounts

There are literally multiple eyewitness accounts from people that watched the plane hit the first tower from their office and could make out the insignia and clearly see it was a passenger jet.

Here are over 100 eyewitness accounts of the plane that hit the Pentagon, plus multiple pictures of the debris found at the site from the airplane. I don't know what else you want. I would suggest not buying into everything CT sites spew. They have an agenda which is to create mistrust in the government and also to sell books, website ads, etc. Just because they claim that no debris was found really doesn't make it true, it just makes them liars who are trying to dupe an increasingly gullible public.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

Also the conspiracy you guys are talking about doesn't take 2 people, it would have taken hundreds of people from multiple agencies plus people not affiliated with the government at all to be involved plus Al Qaeda would have to be involved in the planning process as well. It is a ridiculous scenario.


Let me quote some of your witnesses...

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Elliott assumed his was one of the final groups descending. They saw only two firemen going up. They told them there had been an explosion near the 60th floor.

Explosion at 60... skylobby at 78

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61st floor
"...Jerry Winhoven ...South Tower...training sessions at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter...recess...stayed behind on the 61st floor to check e-mail on a terminal next to the classroom. ...

"Winhoven described the chaos. "There was nothing but papers and documents," flying through the air, he said. "You could literally stick your head through the window. It looked like a bird's-eye view of a ticker tape parade. It was just amazing."

A flat out lie... the windows at 61 were undamaged
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54th floor
"Mattox”: "They came over a loudspeaker there and were giving us some general instructions," he said. "They said there was some sort of problem in Building 1. I can't remember exactly. No more than five or 10 seconds after they made that announcement, the second plane hit our building.
It shook the building and metal beams actually started flying out of the wall. The ceiling started collapsing, and you could see the walls just crinkling. At that point, it was pandemonium. We were just breathless."
I have to call bullshit here!

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A gigantic blast of hot air shot up the stairwell with the vacuum created by the blast and the chaos returned in a hellish instant. They turned around and ran up the steps to the 55th floor, which allowed floor access, and ran across a hallway on that floor to a stairwell on the other side of the building where they managed to climb down to safety...
Explosion below 55

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Middle floors
Art: I was not sure if there was another plane or a bomb and furthermore did not know if the fire and explosion was above or below me. All I did know was that It was getting very hot and I could smell the fire and see smoke coming up the stairwell

Again... which way does smoke go? Up, which is what this guy in the middle floors noted

This next one might be my favorite... thanks for finding it, Baum!
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44th floor Sky Lobby
I looked outside in the Plaza. This was the same area I had walked through moments earlier on my way to work. I could not recognize anything. Everything was charred, smoldering or on fire. Debris was everywhere. At that exact moment I saw an outside support beam about 20 to 30 feet long, hit the ground. Each end of the polished steel beam alternately hit the ground until it stopped. Both ends of that steel support were on fire.
Does jet fuel burn steel now? What could cause the fire on both ends of a 30 foot beam? Thermite? Office fire (of course not)

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25th floor on 175 impact
Am now holding onto our room's door... clinging to it as if my life depended on it... as the building was still swaying violently... I hear and see more "smaller" explosions....electricity was cut off...more debris... broken glasses... air gushing in... ceiling was slowly caving in

Originally posted by
South Tower lobby
At this moment, Sun got a phone call from her husband, Zhang Kening, who works in Jamaica, caught the CNN headline news, which covered the air strike almost at the same time. ``He told me to calm down, and evacuate from the building immediately,'' she said. ... When she reached the lobby, she discovered that all the eight elevators had crashed. ``I don't know how many people were trapped in there,'' she said.
Only 3 elevators went to the 78th floor... what caused the others to crash?

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"And, just then, it is like an earthquake when the plane hits the south building. ...when huge parts of the tower and shock waves come down into the plaza area, cracking all the cement. The whole concourse above us collapses. There are a lot of civilians all around, and I don't know what happens to them, but I think it has to be bad. I can see Liberty Street before me as I feel a ball of debris hit us. Now I see a huge fireball coming at us, and I yell, "Run! Run towards the freight elevator!" [Smith: The fire has come from the fuel that has poured down the elevator shafts.]
What's funny here is that the freight elevator is one of 3 that go to the impact floors! Why didn't that one blow out?



 
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Do you believe passenger planes with human pilots hit the WTC? (Just a yes or no please)

Do you believe a passenger plane with a human pilot hit the Pentagon? (Just a yes or no please)
 
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Originally posted by Lazer Noble
Yes
No


This
 
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Originally posted by taurran
I'm not talking about the towers.

Again, you seem to think I'm advocating any conspiracy theory in particular. They're every bit as believable as the official story, however, and I'm saying that the federal government is paying the price for their complete lack of transparency on the subject. They still haven't released applicable information on 93 and the pentagon hit.

I never said 2 people... How exactly would this have taken hundreds of people to orchestrate? It literally would take less than 5-10 people to collect some muslim extremists and provide them the way/means to carry the plot through. It would take no more than that many people to orchestrate it on Al Quaeda's end as well.


It would take hundreds of people to carry out what Gnosis and Wormser are suggesting. I'm not quite sure when you entered the conversation but as you can see it has been going on for a while now.
 
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Originally posted by baumusc
It would take hundreds of people to carry out what Gnosis and Wormser are suggesting. I'm not quite sure when you entered the conversation but as you can see it has been going on for a while now.


Why would you even need remote controlled planes when these jihadists are happy to die?
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Do you believe passenger planes with human pilots hit the WTC? (Just a yes or no please)

Do you believe a passenger plane with a human pilot hit the Pentagon? (Just a yes or no please)


Do you believe that jet fuel made it's way to every floor of the building? Do you believe that Fire collapsed building 7? Do you believe that aircraft engines liquified? Do you believe that conservation of energy and conservation of momentum are just theories?
 
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Originally posted by taurran
Why would you even need remote controlled planes when these jihadists are happy to die?


exactly
 
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Originally posted by baumusc
It would take hundreds of people to carry out what Gnosis and Wormser are suggesting. I'm not quite sure when you entered the conversation but as you can see it has been going on for a while now.


Why hundreds? The exercises simulating hijacking were approved high up, and anyone involved in those had no idea why they were approved. Why does it need to be hundreds for the alternative theory, but only 20 for the official theory?
 
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Originally posted by taurran
Why would you even need remote controlled planes when these jihadists are happy to die?


Ask Gnosis, that is his claim, not mine. lol

Why use demolition explosives when an airplane and the burning fires will take down the building?
 
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Originally posted by wormser1971
Do you believe that jet fuel made it's way to every floor of the building? Do you believe that Fire collapsed building 7? Do you believe that aircraft engines liquified? Do you believe that conservation of energy and conservation of momentum are just theories?



EDIT: Didn't see that you had answered above.
Edited by Larry Roadgrader on Dec 13, 2013 14:18:57
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Let's just start with the basics (your questions are a bit more complicated, don't you agree?):


Do you believe passenger planes with human pilots hit the WTC? (Just a yes or no please)

Do you believe a passenger plane with a human pilot hit the Pentagon? (Just a yes or no please)


Do you believe there's implicit Israeli national control or influence on the actions of our Federal Government, and intelligence community?
 
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