Warrior General Games

Big Ten stood up and delivered.

I don't think QB is a position of need for Texas. I think Heard is ready to take the reins based on how high the Texas coaching staff is on him, and I think Swoops will be much better this year as is typical with QBs that are very raw when they enter college. Heard knows the spread offense well and I think Swoops will thrive in that offense as well, as do many athletic QBs. I suspect the two recruit QBs will redshirt and greyshirt, or possibly both redshirt, since there are rumors floating that there may be a scholarship spot for Merrick.

I also think the star ratings are not as accurate as looking at how many other top programs were going after a player. Texas ended up landing a lot of really outstanding recruits that might only have 3 Stars but were heavily recruited by a host of top programs, which indicates their Star ratings were way too low. Texas also landed some Juco players that will be ready to contribute immediately at a much higher level than most freshmen. I think some of the linemen Texas grabbed with only 3 stars will turn out better than A&Ms 5 stars. This is the same as when the Dallas Cowboys passed on a highly overrated drug addict QB and grabbed a lineman instead. Initially lots of people were saying how stupid that was, but now we've seen them both in the Pros and the underrated lineman is absolutely the better player.

A&M, Baylor and TCU all have been using the spread which is currently the most effective offense in college football and makes completely average QBs look like superstars. So there's no reason not to expect that Heard of even Swoops could suddenly look like a Heisman contender in that system.

Originally posted by QB Eater
Big Ten stood up and delivered.

Truth!! Evenn PSU had a respectable 14th place ranking in recruiting, comsidering what we have been through, i'll rake that ALL DAY!

Sly sounds just like us Ags did during the Franchione years. Decent recruiting hauls that did not address immediate needs, signing a bunch of 3 stars that were "under the radar" guys and "very coachable". Do you not think our 3 stars had a good offer sheets also? The point is y'all failed to adequately address the O-line, which means any QB you have back there will fail. Add on the fact that Heard and Swoops are the QBs in question, and it will once again be a clusterfuck.

By the way, A&M signed 3 times as many 5* athletes that the entire Big XII combined.

the recruiting services are corrupt as hell anyway.
They rate the teams more based on how many people from that teams fanbase visit their sites

Originally posted by Spread-em offense
the recruiting services are corrupt as hell anyway.
They rate the teams more based on how many people from that teams fanbase visit their sites

Yup, Rivals has always been all over the sips jock, yet surprisingly we were ahead of them this year. There are graphs showing how a recruits ranking would usually tank after committing to A&M while going way up after committing to sip.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/102380/102380

ESPN doesn't think highly of your chances sips.

Rumph makes a lateral move leaving the sips for Florida, 2 days after signing day. Recruits are saying Charlie Strong lied to their faces. I guess honesty isn't a core value anymore?

http://i.imgur.com/DGRIr8f.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9L4VWKCYAA4zKA.png

Let's compare QB recruits (2014 stats):

Kyler Murray - 3971 yds passing, 45 TDs. 1409 yds rushing, 24 TDs.

Kai Locksley - 915 yds passing, 5 TDs. 1050 yds rushing, 17 TDs.

Yep, Locksley is a stud

I just watched the Super Bowl and not one starter was a former 5 star recruit. There were 8 4 stars and the vast majority were 3 or 2 stars. Both teams averaged 2.3-2.4 stars for their starting lineups.

As for your assertion that the Horns didn't adequately address their O-line, that's just about the dumbest thing I've heard ever.

Your reasoning as to why you think Texas's QBs will struggle lacks any support. I know Ags like to behave as if their ridiculous opinions = evidence but that's only for special Ed schools. Those of us who graduated from real universities have higher standards of evidence.

You claim ESPN takes a view on upcoming year chances, but anyone who follows your link can easily read that this is a completely automated list based heavily on performance from the prior year and it clearly states the list in no way represents who will be expected to win or have better records. It's pretty clear to those of us who are literate that this is decidedly not ESPN's view just automated drivel put out to entertain ags and other special needs people.

As for your high school stats, what about a guy who passed for about 2000 yards with very few rushing yards in I-AA? Oh, wait, that's this year's highest rated NFL QB Tony Romo. Well then what about a guy whose HS stats were so unimpressive he only got 1 offer from a Div 1 school? Oh, wait, that's this year's 2nd highest rated NFL QB Aaron Rodgers. What about a guy who didn't even make the All State team? Oh wait that's this year's Super Bowl winner Tom Brady. Could say the same about Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan. Well what about a guy who barely passed at all in his HS run-oriented offense and the only scholarship offers he got were as a defensive back? Oh wait that's Brett Favre. Shit according to your approach we would predict all these guys to suck. None of them were 5 star recruits like the ags baseball player is!

Why don't we compare instead some stats about the Cotton Bowl games that ended 77-0? SHIT that's some embarrassing stuff!

If highly ranked recruits don't matter, why do all of the schools go after them? There are always exceptions to the rule, but the higher ranked guys end up in the NFL more than those exceptions. More mindless drivel with no evidence to back it up. You talk crap about "real universities" when we are highly ranked, and in fact the SEC is a better academic conference than the Big XII.

My evidence about the sips QB problem was explained. Your O-line sucks and you think plugging in new 3*s will help. Your two QBs on roster suck, and you signed a WR to compete with them.

Originally posted by RayRay99
Yup, Rivals has always been all over the sips jock, yet surprisingly we were ahead of them this year. There are graphs showing how a recruits ranking would usually tank after committing to A&M while going way up after committing to sip.


Rivals is one of the bigger Bammer lovers out there also

I read an 2014 study today which concluded that, if recruits go to equivalently good programs with equivalently good coaches, that a 5-star recruit has only a 14% better chance of making an NFL roster than a 2 star or 1 star from that same program. The 5-star has only about an 8.5% better chance than a 4-star from that same program. "...the magnitude is relatively small. These magnitudes highlight the difficulty in predicting who will make it to the NFL."

It also noted that the coaching quality can be a bigger factor than star rating. U of Texas has a better than average performance out of its star-rated players while A&M is worse than average. Because UT's coaching and program is superior to A&M, a 3-star from UT can have a better chance of making an NFL roster than a 5-star from A&M.

Once again everything that ags believe is proven false.

Texas did a fine job addressing its O-line, and brought in a class that will turn out much better than the ag class. The existing UT QBs will thrive in the spread offense. Rookie QBs will be shirted, not compete.

Once again, everything ags believe is false.

Originally posted by Sly
U of Texas has a better than average performance out of its star-rated players while A&M is worse than average. Because UT's coaching and program is superior to A&M, a 3-star from UT can have a better chance of making an NFL roster than a 5-star from A&M.

How in the hell can you believe this? Here is the sip recruiting breakdown from 2010-2014 (the classes who were on campus for last season):

5 Stars - 10
4 Stars - 61
3 Stars - 40

Here is A&M's:

5 Stars - 6
4 Stars - 42
3 Stars - 66

Over the five recruiting cycles you had more star rated talent, but have had woefully worse results playing against inferior competition.

Oh, and here is an article showing where more talent equals more success:
http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/2/5/5382140/recruiting-matters-why-the-sites-get-the-rankings-right

I know it's difficult but try to stay focused. I'm talking about how likely a star player is to make the NFL, which is IMHO the fairest and most accurate way to assess how good the star-rated players actually turn out to be.

You don't respond to this metric at all. You instead attempt to introduce a far more arbitrary metric of star ratings of initial recruits with no adjustment for how many of those recruits stayed on the roster versus being lost to injury, disciplinary action, transfer, etc. Then insert your opinion of who played better and faced better quality opponents. You assert based purely on your opinion that ags played better than UT. You then present as evidence an article by some blogger with no credentials of being able to perform a professional study and he follows the same hocus-pocus approach you do of looking only at initial recruits with no adjustments for reality then he concludes the exact opposite of you in that he says UT played better than ags. He also ranks UT a 5-star school whereas ags are a weak 4-star in his rankings.

Overall your incoherent evidence completely contradicts your own incoherent babbling but what we do find is that the evidence presented by both you and I both conclude that UT is a superior program to ags. The problem with ags being illiterate is they can't actually read their own "evidence" and as often happens they just present "evidence" that ags are idiots.