Originally posted by Kvothe27
I don't think you guys are arguing about the same thing. From a conceptual and data standpoint, it's fairly obvious that zone is disadvantaged against overload run sets. Before builds are taken into account, I don't even think GE would contest this, so linking data on the success of overload runs against trips is pretty neat, but redundant. Like Irish said, it's nothing new and we agree on this. The real debate is whether the flexibility of zone CB builds can make up for being a man down through sheer force. Being a man up is cancelled out if a WR cannot hold his block and/or if the HB cannot shake a tackle. Thus, I think while zone is initially weak to overload, I do not think it is necessarily a fatal flaw. I know GE has already shown his run defense is effective even when I overload a zone, and my team even has... abnormally good run blocking.
Here's GE's Weakside CB from S33 or so: https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/271897
32 Revcakes is only 1 per game. He might have 75+ Hold Ground, but if you're not getting more revcakes than you aren't offsetting the blocker advantage.
But hey, it's his FLEX.
I don't think you guys are arguing about the same thing. From a conceptual and data standpoint, it's fairly obvious that zone is disadvantaged against overload run sets. Before builds are taken into account, I don't even think GE would contest this, so linking data on the success of overload runs against trips is pretty neat, but redundant. Like Irish said, it's nothing new and we agree on this. The real debate is whether the flexibility of zone CB builds can make up for being a man down through sheer force. Being a man up is cancelled out if a WR cannot hold his block and/or if the HB cannot shake a tackle. Thus, I think while zone is initially weak to overload, I do not think it is necessarily a fatal flaw. I know GE has already shown his run defense is effective even when I overload a zone, and my team even has... abnormally good run blocking.
Here's GE's Weakside CB from S33 or so: https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/271897
32 Revcakes is only 1 per game. He might have 75+ Hold Ground, but if you're not getting more revcakes than you aren't offsetting the blocker advantage.
But hey, it's his FLEX.
