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You should really be much more worried about the Power Rushing game in 3WR and 4WR TRIPS destroying your Zone Defense.

Gimli is at .876 BRKT per touch on the season (645 on the season so far).

Plenty of people will be copying him now creating viable Elusive, Combo and Power HB types.

1WR, 3WR TRIPS and 4WR TRIPS continue to cause problems for Zone teams. The sim isn't penalizing them enough in the Passing game (because of the INTs) but the running game can't be stopped. Outside Weak combined with Dive/Slam to the Strong side exposes Zone.

But keep being positive.

Originally posted by Xars
You should really be much more worried about the Power Rushing game in 3WR and 4WR TRIPS destroying your Zone Defense.

Gimli is at .876 BRKT per touch on the season (645 on the season so far).

Plenty of people will be copying him now creating viable Elusive, Combo and Power HB types.

1WR, 3WR TRIPS and 4WR TRIPS continue to cause problems for Zone teams. The sim isn't penalizing them enough in the Passing game (because of the INTs) but the running game can't be stopped. Outside Weak combined with Dive/Slam to the Strong side exposes Zone.

But keep being positive.



Keep quiet Xars, you're exposing all my plans for next season!

Originally posted by Xars
You should really be much more worried about the Power Rushing game in 3WR and 4WR TRIPS destroying your Zone Defense.

Gimli is at .876 BRKT per touch on the season (645 on the season so far).

Plenty of people will be copying him now creating viable Elusive, Combo and Power HB types.

1WR, 3WR TRIPS and 4WR TRIPS continue to cause problems for Zone teams. The sim isn't penalizing them enough in the Passing game (because of the INTs) but the running game can't be stopped. Outside Weak combined with Dive/Slam to the Strong side exposes Zone.

But keep being positive.

Originally posted by ellix
Keep quiet Xars, you're exposing all my plans for next season!

it not nothin new lmao

Originally posted by Xars
You should really be much more worried about the Power Rushing game in 3WR and 4WR TRIPS destroying your Zone Defense.

Gimli is at .876 BRKT per touch on the season (645 on the season so far).

Plenty of people will be copying him now creating viable Elusive, Combo and Power HB types.

1WR, 3WR TRIPS and 4WR TRIPS continue to cause problems for Zone teams. The sim isn't penalizing them enough in the Passing game (because of the INTs) but the running game can't be stopped. Outside Weak combined with Dive/Slam to the Strong side exposes Zone.

But keep being positive.



lol...this is the exact reason I chose to run an all zone defense several seasons ago...to stop outside runs against off balance offenses. If you run a man defense against 3 WR Trips, Strong side runs will destroy you.

1980s made our legacy by stopping outside runs...if we can do anything, it is stop the outside run. I am looking forward to facing Gimli in Vet

Originally posted by Cybertron
If you run a man defense against 3 WR Trips, Strong side runs will destroy you.




It's called GLB2Scout.com. Team 397.

Feel free to look at my Defensive plays for all games this year.

3WR TRIPS Outside Runs Right 17 - Left 8

Avg 1.7 yards per attempt

I play Man: 5-2, Nickel and Dime 3-2-6.

On Passing, I'm at 2.8 YPA with a 33% Completion % against.

All Rushing: 2.2 YPA
All Passing: 2.8 YPA

Man D.

Want to see what happens to your Zone?

Originally posted by Xars


Want to see what happens to your Zone?




I know what happens to my zone. It shuts down outside runs.

Originally posted by Cybertron
GG RRR

I caught a few breaks in the 1st half and finally won a close game.

Oh...and didn't Xars say that you can't rely on PD/Knock Loose to carry your zone defense? We had 15 in this game...

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/809928

GG 80's

Originally posted by Xars


It's called GLB2Scout.com. Team 397.

Feel free to look at my Defensive plays for all games this year.

3WR TRIPS Outside Runs Right 17 - Left 8

Avg 1.7 yards per attempt

I play Man: 5-2, Nickel and Dime 3-2-6.

On Passing, I'm at 2.8 YPA with a 33% Completion % against.

All Rushing: 2.2 YPA
All Passing: 2.8 YPA

Man D.

Want to see what happens to your Zone?




Have you played any teams with great RBs who run outside on 3 WR sets?

It's also about the personnel....not just zone/man. Zone CBs are built different than man CBs. Zone CBs are slower but bigger and tougher and can shed blocks and stop the run. So just saying "zone gets destroyed by 3 WR Trips weak tosses" is a simplistic view because you are missing half the equation....player builds.

None of my CBs are fast....none of them. But they are tough as nails. So I can use those SPs that usually go into sprinting and put them into shed block/tackling.

Originally posted by Cybertron
I know what happens to my zone. It shuts down outside runs.

I swear, talking to you is like talking to a rock.


GLB2Scout - Play Analyzer - Vet - Current Season - Offense - 3WR TRIPS - HB Pitch Weak

Against Man: 5.31 YPA with a 16.8% TFL

Against Zone: 9.02 YPA with a 7.79% TFL

LogZilla (Gimli) is at 7.2YPA for this play, versus 6.2 YPA for everyone else. (Man & Zone)



GLB2Scout - Play Analyzer - Vet - Current Season - Offense - $WR TRIPS - HB Sweep Weak

Against Man: 7.14 YPA with a 21.57% TFL

Against Zone: 7.8 YPA with a 22.5% TFL

LogZilla (Gimli) is at 8.8 YPA for this play, versus 6.8 YPA for everyone else. (Man & Zone)


Keep deluding yourself.

The only reason Zone has "worked" these past seasons is because people continue to use the wrong formations and run Outside to the Strong side.

It's called Data.

You've been warned. (over and over and over again)

Originally posted by Cybertron

It's also about the personnel....not just zone/man. Zone CBs are built different than man CBs. Zone CBs are slower but bigger and tougher and can shed blocks and stop the run. So just saying "zone gets destroyed by 3 WR Trips weak tosses" is a simplistic view because you are missing half the equation....player builds.

None of my CBs are fast....none of them. But they are tough as nails. So I can use those SPs that usually go into sprinting and put them into shed block/tackling.

And that's what everyone else has been doing. See the data above as to how that works out.

Look at the Zone CB builds in Vet. They are just like you describe.

Originally posted by Cybertron
Have you played any teams with great RBs who run outside on 3 WR sets?


And it's more like who doesn't have a great RB. Everyone has a S* HB.

Practically every single team.

Originally posted by Xars
I swear, talking to you is like talking to a rock.


GLB2Scout - Play Analyzer - Vet - Current Season - Offense - 3WR TRIPS - HB Pitch Weak

Against Man: 5.31 YPA with a 16.8% TFL

Against Zone: 9.02 YPA with a 7.79% TFL

LogZilla (Gimli) is at 7.2YPA for this play, versus 6.2 YPA for everyone else. (Man & Zone)



GLB2Scout - Play Analyzer - Vet - Current Season - Offense - $WR TRIPS - HB Sweep Weak

Against Man: 7.14 YPA with a 21.57% TFL

Against Zone: 7.8 YPA with a 22.5% TFL

LogZilla (Gimli) is at 8.8 YPA for this play, versus 6.8 YPA for everyone else. (Man & Zone)


Keep deluding yourself.

The only reason Zone has "worked" these past seasons is because people continue to use the wrong formations and run Outside to the Strong side.

It's called Data.

You've been warned. (over and over and over again)

if i game planned against a zone team my first question would be "What do they use against 3wr trips?" because 3wr trip weak pitch is the best outside run against zone. builds are less relevant than winning the numbers game on outside runs.

like if your plan is just "built different" your going to be in for a bad time cybertron

Originally posted by Xars
I swear, talking to you is like talking to a rock.


GLB2Scout - Play Analyzer - Vet - Current Season - Offense - 3WR TRIPS - HB Pitch Weak

Against Man: 5.31 YPA with a 16.8% TFL

Against Zone: 9.02 YPA with a 7.79% TFL

LogZilla (Gimli) is at 7.2YPA for this play, versus 6.2 YPA for everyone else. (Man & Zone)



GLB2Scout - Play Analyzer - Vet - Current Season - Offense - $WR TRIPS - HB Sweep Weak

Against Man: 7.14 YPA with a 21.57% TFL

Against Zone: 7.8 YPA with a 22.5% TFL

LogZilla (Gimli) is at 8.8 YPA for this play, versus 6.8 YPA for everyone else. (Man & Zone)


Keep deluding yourself.

The only reason Zone has "worked" these past seasons is because people continue to use the wrong formations and run Outside to the Strong side.

It's called Data.

You've been warned. (over and over and over again)

You can show me stats until you are blue in the face....bottom line is these are not stats against 1980s defensive personnel. Maybe none of those CBs can shed blocks or tackle? The "data" is incomplete...half of the equation is missing.

Originally posted by Xars

Look at the Zone CB builds in Vet. They are just like you describe.



You are saying all the zone CB builds in Vet are built with low sprint and high BRB/tackle? It isn't just CBs either....LBs and safeties play the run.

What about Kentucky? They had an all zone team and went 29-1 in Vet last season.

Originally posted by ThePh33P
if i game planned against a zone team my first question would be "What do they use against 3wr trips?" because 3wr trip weak pitch is the best outside run against zone. builds are less relevant than winning the numbers game on outside runs.

like if your plan is just "built different" your going to be in for a bad time cybertron

As you should try to run outside weak vs an all zone team. However, I have been here much longer than most of you and I have built all zone teams that shut down running teams. Stopping the run is the least of my concern.

Now that being said....I am implementing a hybrid defense this run with some man sprinkled in vs off balanced offenses.