Warrior General Games

Originally posted by peeti
its funny how you hate about all-run teams for like 6 seasons now and yet you never say a a word against pure pass teams. Weird attitude, but whatever

It seems to be 100% based off exploits. There are not enough defensive roster spots to field a full run stopping defense. Defenses have to be built to stop both run and pass. They also get an unbalanced advantage on special teams. There are not enough decent plays to counter 100% run offenses as well. Even a decent run support LB seems to get blocked indefinitely by the 100% blocking WRs if not pancaked, all while simultaneously blocking a second LB or safety. It's unrealistic and cheesy. My biggest gripes are those cheesy blocking WRs and lack of plays. Do away with the blocking WRs as they currently are and my attitude towards them would be much different.

All pass offenses can be countered with balanced defenses and actually have a disadvantage on special teams.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
Chemistry and the all run cheese are the things I dislike the most about this game. Give all run teams an extra down and I would probably rage quit and never look back.


I'd rage quit if they gave everyone a 5th down also. However, no one's talking about that. Football rules don't require a punt on 4th down, and in some parts of the field it's a really stupid play, at least under a couple of yards to go, because it's too far for a FG and a punt will only cost the opponent 20 yards (sometimes less) of field position-- or right up at the goal line when you need less than a 3/7 chance for it to be worth going for (3/7 due to points, but less when you recognize a failure is the same as a fantastic coffin corner kick plus that with the current sim even the super-short FG isn't certain-- neither is the XP but if both are missed that's 0 vs. 6 points).

Whether or not everything's a perfect reflection of football probabilities (an ideal that can/should be one of the sim's goals, but can't be fully realized in a game where players can be "built"), it can and should at least be a perfect reflection of football rules, at least those rules that are the same in pro, college, and high school.

And it doesn't have to allow every strategy used anywhere (there's a very successful high school coach who punts about 3 times a season, but unless it becomes far more popular than something I only know of because I happened to be watching HBO at the right time I don't expect the game to allow it); but going for it as often as a relatively gambling pro or college coach (Belichick style: Even if in other areas he might outright cheat, his 4th down playcalling isn't a cheat) ought to be allowed.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
It seems to be 100% based off exploits. There are not enough defensive roster spots to field a full run stopping defense. Defenses have to be built to stop both run and pass. They also get an unbalanced advantage on special teams. There are not enough decent plays to counter 100% run offenses as well. Even a decent run support LB seems to get blocked indefinitely by the 100% blocking WRs if not pancaked, all while simultaneously blocking a second LB or safety. It's unrealistic and cheesy. My biggest gripes are those cheesy blocking WRs and lack of plays. Do away with the blocking WRs as they currently are and my attitude towards them would be much different.

All pass offenses can be countered with balanced defenses and actually have a disadvantage on special teams.

WTF are you smoking??? All run teams are a hell of a lot easier to stop than all pass teams.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
Even a decent run support LB seems to get blocked indefinitely by the 100% blocking WRs if not pancaked, all while simultaneously blocking a second LB or safety. It's unrealistic and cheesy.

That is a build issue.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
WTF are you smoking??? All run teams are a hell of a lot easier to stop than all pass teams.

They become much harder to stop one teams get Power Thru or Juke to 3 stars (with relevant attributes to back it up).

Originally posted by AirMcMVP
They become much harder to stop one teams get Power Thru or Juke to 3 stars (with relevant attributes to back it up).

Not if you build defenders with high tack tech and tack grip. Again...build issue.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
#1 It's already in, I think you mean a 3 safety nickel defense, which is pretty common in college and NFL.

I think that would be a pretty niche formation considering most teams carry 3-4 safeties and 5 CBs. To really see much use out of it, you'd have to be a specialist D imo like the 5-2 teams.

That said, safeties are much cheaper than CBs, so I'm sure people would start creating the teams like the 5-2 Ds.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
WTF are you smoking??? All run teams are a hell of a lot easier to stop than all pass teams.

Take a team to Vet for a change and I'd like to hear your opinion then.

Originally posted by Nyria
I'd rage quit if they gave everyone a 5th down also. However, no one's talking about that. Football rules

You might not have realized it yet, but this is a computer game. It's not football.

In GLB2, you get three downs to get a first down, except in certain situations. The game is balanced for that dynamic. If you suddenly get four downs to get a first down all game, the game gets thrown out of whack.

Originally posted by Cuivienen
I think that would be a pretty niche formation considering most teams carry 3-4 safeties and 5 CBs. To really see much use out of it, you'd have to be a specialist D imo like the 5-2 teams.

That said, safeties are much cheaper than CBs, so I'm sure people would start creating the teams like the 5-2 Ds.

It would help a lot more with alignment, since the 3rd safety who plays "nickel" often (at least in college) lines up way off the slot receiver, it lets the other safeties be shifted over. It also let's some interesting coverage wrinkles get put into play, but that'd be more for Zone D's, as I'm not sure how that'd work with the way GLB2 functions.


I didn't even think of the cheaper aspect of safeties, and yeah, that would be very tempting.

Originally posted by Cuivienen
You might not have realized it yet, but this is a computer game. It's not football.

In GLB2, you get three downs to get a first down, except in certain situations. The game is balanced for that dynamic. If you suddenly get four downs to get a first down all game, the game gets thrown out of whack.

It's one thing to say "It's a computer game, not football," to justify, say, a particular play type being more or less effective than in real football, or all-run and all-pass teams being possible when they could never work in the real thing. Some things are unavoidable just because people can build the players: If the vast majority of people go for deflecting skill over intercepting, for example, there will be lower completion percentages but fewer interceptions, and it really won't be the sim's fault.

That's very different from saying the most basic rules of the game shouldn't be the same as in real football. This is even more true when it makes the game less, rather than more, interesting/exciting than the real game...and nothing is less exciting than a punt.

There arent 4th down tactics in the game for the purpose of maintaining a closer similarity with real football. The moment you give the option to go for it on 4th down you will find there are morons that will never punt again, thus throwing off the balance of the game. I wouldnt be at all interested in playing that version of football personally.

Originally posted by Jagat0r
There arent 4th down tactics in the game for the purpose of maintaining a closer similarity with real football. The moment you give the option to go for it on 4th down you will find there are morons that will never punt again, thus throwing off the balance of the game. I wouldnt be at all interested in playing that version of football personally.

If the game is balanced it's not a problem, teams that go for it too often get punished. The sentiment in this thread is that this game will never be balanced enough for that to happen, and that's the part that's sad to me. Everyone's just given up.

This isn't a radical idea, we've all played dozens of football games over the years and in every single one of them other than GLB2, including GLB1, you are allowed to go for it on 4th down as per the normal rules of football.

Originally posted by Jagat0r
There arent 4th down tactics in the game for the purpose of maintaining a closer similarity with real football. The moment you give the option to go for it on 4th down you will find there are morons that will never punt again, thus throwing off the balance of the game. I wouldnt be at all interested in playing that version of football personally.

This is exactly it. Keep in mind the same can be done to you. There are teams converting around 80% of their 3rd and 4th and ones. This also leans real heavy for run teams. No wonder the 100% run guys are the ones always pushing this.

Example Central(77% run) converts 79% of 3rd and ones where Green Bay(95% pass) converts just 53%.

Central is in no way a cheese team but they run heavy and are really good at it where Green Bay is a passing team. It seems way unbalanced and just another cheesy way to exploit the system.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
This is exactly it. Keep in mind the same can be done to you. There are teams converting around 80% of their 3rd and 4th and ones. This also leans real heavy for run teams. No wonder the 100% run guys are the ones always pushing this.

Example Central(77% run) converts 79% of 3rd and ones where Green Bay(95% pass) converts just 53%.

Central is in no way a cheese team but they run heavy and are really good at it where Green Bay is a passing team. It seems way unbalanced and just another cheesy way to exploit the system.

Do you just go through life hating everything? You need to get laid or something.