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Originally posted by jfbueno
Zone still didn't look half bad though. A lot of PDs and a couple picks. Seems at least viable if the defense is built correctly.

I think its going to help those that run the lurk plays and a bit of a mix rather than pure Zone, as it still seems to get picked apart at times

Originally posted by DigitalDaggers

- Added extra vectors toward center of zone and QB for underneath zone coverage


Anybody explain what this means?

Originally posted by Xars
Could I ask WHEN these changes went live?

DD scrimmed LZ Boys a bunch yesterday.
Is it possible the changes were active then but unannounced?
Or did the code go live when the changelog was posted?

Thank you.

Oh and if this buffed Zone AFTER those scrims, DD is going to destroy most Passing teams.


Even if that's the case - I would still want to see it in actual competitive games. IF zone is overpowered for a season - so what? They've gone through 12 seasons of shitty zone play already so I think we'll all survive if it's a little strong prior to a S14 fix.

Originally posted by FairForever
Even if that's the case - I would still want to see it in actual competitive games. IF zone is overpowered for a season - so what? They've gone through 12 seasons of shitty zone play already so I think we'll all survive if it's a little strong prior to a S14 fix.

Oh I agree. I wasn't complaining. I was just notifying.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
Anybody explain what this means?

That's probably more movement/turning/facing options for the defenders.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
Anybody explain what this means?

Seems less likely that defenders in under zones get pulled way out of position. It can still happen, but should be less likely.

This makes robbers/lurks seem pretty nice, but some of the double Lurk drops were only useful when the defenders got pulled away. Those drops were way too shallow. We'll find out.

On the other hand, I wonder if pump fake SA on QB's is going to be a necessity if you want to run certain offensive plays.

Originally posted by Xars
This might/should? push CBs into more Quickness investment than currently.

I think it's safe to say that S13 changes are directly related to nerfing Passing.



I think the Quick Feet trait should be a strong consideration for building a CB now.

There are gonna be some new plays I hope. That is a boring set of changes.

Originally posted by bhall43
There are gonna be some new plays I hope. That is a boring set of changes.

Not sure if it did or not but if it fixes some broken defensive plays (a big "if") then it would be like adding new plays IMO. There are a ridiculous amount of plays in the PBs. If more become decent it is better than just adding more plays that may or may not be broken themselves. Time will tell though I suppose.

Originally posted by Detroit Leos
Not sure if it did or not but if it fixes some broken defensive plays (a big "if") then it would be like adding new plays IMO. There are a ridiculous amount of plays in the PBs. If more become decent it is better than just adding more plays that may or may not be broken themselves. Time will tell though I suppose.

Agreed - need to stop adding plays until we fix existing plays. Makes it harder for new players as they will likely run some of these "bugged" plays.

Originally posted by Xars
That's probably more movement/turning/facing options for the defenders.



Oh...it's on now. Phase II in full effect!

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
I think the Quick Feet trait should be a strong consideration for building a CB now.

Have this trait on several of my defenders.

Originally posted by bhall43
There are gonna be some new plays I hope. That is a boring set of changes.

They may sound boring, but they might actually bring more excitement to games. Then again, the most "boring" thing they could have done was fix DE ghosting and they didn't.

Originally posted by Detroit Leos
Not sure if it did or not but if it fixes some broken defensive plays (a big "if") then it would be like adding new plays IMO. There are a ridiculous amount of plays in the PBs. If more become decent it is better than just adding more plays that may or may not be broken themselves. Time will tell though I suppose.

This is the balancing act. Improve Defensive performance against the Pass and then see where Passing O is. Then see if fixing a bunch of Passing O plays is the next step (it probably is).

I think the changes are good.

Only thing missing are: DE Ghosting and Fixing/Removing Chemistry

Come on CDog...im still Missing at least one change -.-

Originally posted by Xars

Only thing missing are: DE Ghosting and Fixing/Removing Chemistry

and fixing the Chase Down SA