Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Blastoh
People calling for this to affect both the defense as well as the offense for play spam doesn't really make sense. The offense dictates what the defense does, not the other way around. Just because you built a team that only lines up in 4wr or big I and can run a varity of plays from that formation as you spam it does not mean that the defense has to lineup in different formations to match you. If you come out in 4wr all game it is fine to line up and play dime cover 2 all game if the D wants.

This. The offense is the one abusing plays - defense has to be reactive and pick plays based on what's called. Fully agree that it should only apply to offense.

Originally posted by Duro
The change itself is ridiculous. You put out a shitty 1 play defense and I put out 90% of 1 play offense and destroyed it. Now I am penalized for picking apart your 1 play defense? psh...

wat

come on corn dog --- reveal the tweak...or you're going to cause conniption fits among some of the users..

A little worried about the run game with this change. Are we rolling out a bunch of new plays as well?

Originally posted by TxSteve
come on corn dog --- reveal the tweak...

Mostly just wondering if this change is based on consecutive plays in a row or overall. I assume overall since with 5 plays running with the AI its essentially luck of the draw as to running a consecutive play a bunch of times in a row or not.

Originally posted by bhall43
Are we rolling out a bunch of new plays as well?

Are there play types that aren't already covered multiple times across multiple formations?

Originally posted by Corndog
Are there play types that aren't already covered multiple times across multiple formations?

Diamond FB Strong Dive
Diamond HB Weak Slam
Diamond HB Weak Pitch
Diamond HB Counter Strong

Diamond Off tackles?
Diamond Outside FB plays?

I Counter Strong
Strong I Counter Weak
Big Counter Sweep Right
Trips Counter Weak
Trips Off Tackle Strong

Maybe some more QB off tackle plays? Right now I think there are only 3?

I mean a lot of those are "covered" in multiple formations. But the point is really that they should be covered in all formations. Especially when considering a change like you are proposing with a repeat play penalty of sorts because right now the run game is incredibly simple to shut down in the early stages with just a couple plays in the book.

Diamond could use more pass plays as well to flesh out the formation a little bit.

Originally posted by bhall43
Especially when considering a change like you are proposing with a repeat play penalty

If that were even true, going from spamming the same play out of one formation to spamming the same play out of four formations wouldn't be much of an improvement.

Repeat plays don't bother me a bit, it is the all run and all pass offenses that cheese up the game for me. Offenses can just focus one way or the other where defenses can't do that game in and game out.

Originally posted by Corndog
If that were even true, going from spamming the same play out of one formation to spamming the same play out of four formations wouldn't be much of an improvement.

So we can't have all the formations fleshed out with equal plays because we might use multiple pitches/slams to "spam"? Makes sense...

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
Repeat plays don't bother me a bit, it is the all run and all pass offenses that cheese up the game for me. Offenses can just focus one way or the other where defenses can't do that game in and game out.

If the RPP being proposed is based on single plays all pass won't take any hits at all.

Originally posted by FairForever
This. The offense is the one abusing plays - defense has to be reactive and pick plays based on what's called. Fully agree that it should only apply to offense.

Yet you have to select 5 offensive plays for a situation minimum but only have to select 2 defensive plays minimum to counter. What is easier to spam?

Originally posted by crazieveggie
Yet you have to select 5 offensive plays for a situation minimum but only have to select 2 defensive plays minimum to counter. What is easier to spam?



You select 2, but only have to run 1.

Originally posted by bhall43
You select 2, but only have to run 1.

Correct... Like I said make changes on both sides of the ball then... And at lease have the courtesy to tell teams what the changes are before next season so we can recruit or adapt appropriately.