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Originally posted by bhall43
I don't think he needs much to convince people there is something wrong. If you watch enough games you begin to feel the frustration of players stopping mid route to come back to the ball despite pretty good pass power skills. Meanwhile watching the floaters from sub 30 pass power guys every now and then look like a beautiful deep thrown pass in stride. Puss arms are a double edge sword in a DC's back. They give WR's the edge underneath and somehow over the top at the same time.

you know what a 30 passing power QB never does? Sail a ball uncatchably high and deep. It's either on the money, or a comebacker.

I think if you call 1 play over 10% of the time, then it's a staple of your offense. Hell, if there are 2-3 plays that are called 25% of the time, then all of them are staples of your offense.

Why are we talking about Staples anyway? Their red shirts make me angry

Originally posted by TyDavis315

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/174888/1008678

The guy is wide open unlike the other two with the hip motion you dislike. Easier to catch and run than it is in traffic. When you find one where the receiver is wide open and it's not a long ass pass, then you can convince people. But as of now, like I previously stated, it just looks like the receivers are showing that they posses even the slightest bit of common sense.

Originally posted by bhall43
I don't think he needs much to convince people there is something wrong. If you watch enough games you begin to feel the frustration of players stopping mid route to come back to the ball despite pretty good pass power skills. Meanwhile watching the floaters from sub 30 pass power guys every now and then look like a beautiful deep thrown pass in stride. Puss arms are a double edge sword in a DC's back. They give WR's the edge underneath and somehow over the top at the same time.

Ty... watch more games and then feel free to join the party.

Originally posted by Galithor
you know what a 30 passing power QB never does? Sail a ball uncatchably high and deep. It's either on the money, or a comebacker.

And that's the problem with "Deflections and Pass Power".

Short Pass: High Pass Power QB has a negative modifier to Deflections vs. the Low Pass Power QB.
Long Pass: High Pass Power QB throws a bullet that has a Deflection chance while the Low Pass Power QB lobs a pass that the WR turns into a comebacker leaving the CB in the dust who never even rolls on a potential Deflection.

Thus Low Pass Power QBs (most of the time) completely avoid Deflection rolls on Long Passes.

It happens, but you are right on the fact that it happens a hell of a lot more for a guy with high pass power than that sub 30 pass power guy.

Originally posted by TxSteve
well ya...welcome to the world of 100% running...surely you're not complaining that people game planned for you again are you??

oh no im saying if your going to bulk up your formation inside im going to run it outside all day and punish you for it no matter the formation.

Originally posted by bhall43
You saw a formation with more than 2 CB's all season simply because plays like Edge Buzz 2, Cat Blitz 2 roll, etc are comically bad plays to run against GL. As you should know considering you got hammered by Queen City trying it. That had nothing to do with your impressive use of inside runs, people just aren't that crazy to surrender the entire inside like that.

and thats what im saying im going to take what the defense gives me. like i said they could nerf gl sweep to only work vs super heavy inside and id still run it to balance out the formation runs. With them removed I have nothing to balance my offtackles and gl blasts and thats my issue is that I have no outside run to balance the inside runs out of goal line basically taking away the formation for the most part. I mean sure i can still get away with a few gl runs but I wont be able to run the formation at all vs competent coordinators. Image if they took out any passing play with a route over 10 yards from 3 wide, would you even run it knowing that teams would just clog the short field?

Originally posted by USC_Trojans
and thats what im saying im going to take what the defense gives me. like i said they could nerf gl sweep to only work vs super heavy inside and id still run it to balance out the formation runs. With them removed I have nothing to balance my offtackles and gl blasts and thats my issue is that I have no outside run to balance the inside runs out of goal line basically taking away the formation for the most part. I mean sure i can still get away with a few gl runs but I wont be able to run the formation at all vs competent coordinators. Image if they took out any passing play with a route over 10 yards from 3 wide, would you even run it knowing that teams would just clog the short field?

Except in your scenario 3 WR was never meant as a short yardage formation. GL Formation was never meant to be used the entire length of the field.

Originally posted by bhall43
Except in your scenario 3 WR was never meant as a short yardage formation. GL Formation was never meant to be used the entire length of the field.

except even in short yardage every formation except 5 wide is better now for running

Originally posted by USC_Trojans
except even in short yardage every formation except 5 wide is better now for running

...he said with his highest inside YPC this season coming from GL HB Blast and 4th highest YPC outside play coming from GL Off tackle.

Even the Stunners are averaging over 8 ypc through GL Off tackle and 11 ypc on the weak off tackle. The formation sucks guys. Stop using it already.

(stats used were against non cpu opponents)

Originally posted by bhall43
...he said with his highest inside YPC this season coming from GL HB Blast and 4th highest YPC outside play coming from GL Off tackle.

run the play 13 times for 110 yards 99 of those coming from a 71 yard run and a 28 yard run. the other 11 have gone for 11 yards.... as for gl offtackle i said i could still sprinkle it in to catch people off guard but more often than not i cant really use it.

Originally posted by bhall43
Even the Stunners are averaging over 8 ypc through GL Off tackle and 11 ypc on the weak off tackle. The formation sucks guys. Stop using it already.

(stats used were against non cpu opponents)

against MMA, Run Glb, Queen city and DA they have ran both offtackles 14 times for 51.4 yards so as i was saying good coordinators are completely shutting it down

So 2 short yardage formation plays average 4.3 and 3.5 ypc against the best coordinated teams in the game. Anything else you would like to share?

Originally posted by bhall43
So 2 short yardage formation plays average 4.3 and 3.5 ypc against the best coordinated teams in the game. Anything else you would like to share?

yea there are 9 other inside plays that had more ypc than either of them why run those two when you got 9 other runs that can do it better?

Originally posted by USC_Trojans
yea there are 9 other inside plays that had more ypc than either of them why run those two when you got 9 other runs that can do it better?

The key word is had.

Ya GL is the new 5WR