Warrior General Games

Originally posted by william78
Tiger Sort (If the Corndog is correct)
1. Portland Ronin 13-1
2. Warsaw Wrath 11-3(By virtue of Head to Head 2-1 versus all others @ 11-3)
3. Dakota Dire Wolves 11-3 (By virtue of Head to Head 1-1 versus all others @11-3)
4. Music City Miracle 11-3 (By virtue of Head to Head 1-2 versus all others @11-3)
5. Legacy 9-5
6. Minnesota Bad Axes 7-7 (By Virtue of Head to Head against all others 7-7)
7. Killer Konvicts 7-7 (By Virtue of Head to Head against all others 7-7)
8. Rocky Mountain Thunder 7-7 (By Virtue of Head to Head against all others 7-7)
9. Hillybilly Coondogs 5-9
10.San Jose Dragons 2-12
11. Montana Grizzles 1-11
12. Sparta 0-12

If it sorted the way you've diagrammed it would spit out Ronin (Gamma), Warsaw Wrath (Alpha), Minnesota Bad Axes (Beta), then Dakota in #3.... unless the script isn't work as you've described/intended.

As I said just looking for consistency and right now it is not being consistent based on divisional location.

Except that you put the wolves AHEAD of Music City, when they both have "1" on the H2H, so you need to go to the next step, which is points against. And then I guess it depends on which games the points against considers... just those involved in the tie, or all games?

Originally posted by joe
this is way we need a 6 team play off. Divison winners then wildcards. Give the 2 best by week.


No, this isn't.

i think it's all league games and seems like dakota and music city has same pts allowed but music city scored more points

Originally posted by Time Trial
Except that you put the wolves AHEAD of Music City, when they both have "1" on the H2H, so you need to go to the next step, which is points against. And then I guess it depends on which games the points against considers... just those involved in the tie, or all games?



This why the "1" he puts in for wins is misleading, first of all it favors division rivals since you get more chances to get a "w" even if the winning percentage is bad.

Secondly, Imagine Dakota loses week 14: Then Music City wins the division outright based on points allowed (where we both had Warsaw)...

Imagine a Wild card (say at 8-6, where 4 teams in one division are tied along with 1 team in another division)... the 4 teams in the same division have 8 chances to produce wins where as the team in the opposite division has just 4? You could go 3-1 against the other divisional opponents and tie for the wild card with guys going 3-5? GOOFY

How in the world is that logical?

Originally posted by Time Trial
Except that you put the wolves AHEAD of Music City, when they both have "1" on the H2H, so you need to go to the next step, which is points against. And then I guess it depends on which games the points against considers... just those involved in the tie, or all games?



So, looking at it, it seems that Music City and the Wolves tied on points allowed, so Music City gets the win based on points for.

So the order goes:

1. Portland Ronin 13-1
2. Warsaw Wrath 11-3(By virtue of Head to Head 2-1 versus all others @ 11-3)
3. Music City Miracle 11-3 (By virtue of Head to Head 1 win against the other 11-3 teams, then having equal PA as Wolves, then having more PF than the Wolves.)
4. Dakota Dire Wolves 11-3 (By virtue of Head to Head 1 win versus all other 11-3 teams, then having equal PA as MCM, then having fewer PF than the Wolves.)

Originally posted by Merik
i think it's all league games and seems like dakota and music city has same pts allowed but music city scored more points

I am actually way more upset with the inconsistency and answer than missing the playoffs themselves; granted 11-3 is strong but not invincible - that said the method for dissolving ties should be fair, consistent , and transparent. - This is ANYTHING but.

Originally posted by Time Trial
So, looking at it, it seems that Music City and the Wolves tied on points allowed, so Music City gets the win based on points for.

So the order goes:

1. Portland Ronin 13-1
2. Warsaw Wrath 11-3(By virtue of Head to Head 2-1 versus all others @ 11-3)
3. Music City Miracle 11-3 (By virtue of Head to Head 1 win against the other 11-3 teams, then having equal PA as Wolves, then having more PF than the Wolves.)
4. Dakota Dire Wolves 11-3 (By virtue of Head to Head 1-2 versus all others @11-3)

This is incorrect We went 1-1 against Wrath and Miracle, Miracle went 1-2 ... however it ignores the win % and writes only the win #, giving an advantage to all teams record breaking in the same division.

Originally posted by Merik
i think it's all league games and seems like dakota and music city has same pts allowed but music city scored more points

Yeah, because Wolves get in if they only considered the other 11-3 teams.

Originally posted by william78
This why the "1" he puts in for wins is misleading, first of all it favors division rivals since you get more chances to get a "w" even if the winning percentage is bad.

Secondly, Imagine Dakota loses week 14: Then Music City wins the division outright based on points allowed (where we both had Warsaw)...

Imagine a Wild card (say at 8-6, where 4 teams in one division are tied along with 1 team in another division)... the 4 teams in the same division have 8 chances to produce wins where as the team in the opposite division has just 4? You could go 3-1 against the other divisional opponents and tie for the wild card with guys going 3-5? GOOFY

How in the world is that logical?

Yeah, I'm not saying it makes sense to only consider the wins, but that is the current format.

Though in my league, The Simpsons didn't get in because they went 0-2 against their division rival and 1-1 against the non-division rivals tied rivals.

I still think they should run the formula in each division to determine the winner of the division. Then it should compare the remaining teams to determine rank. Also the winning % should be used over the number of wins because it should not favour divisional rivalries.

Originally posted by william78
This is incorrect We went 1-1 against Wrath and Miracle, Miracle went 1-2 ... however it ignores the win % and writes only the win #, giving an advantage to all teams record breaking in the same division.

sorry, fixed.

Originally posted by Time Trial
I still think they should run the formula in each division to determine the winner of the division. Then it should compare the remaining teams to determine rank. Also the winning % should be used over the number of wins because it should not favour divisional rivalries.

Using win percent instead of total wins favors out of division teams, which I'm not convinced is much more fair.

If that was the case, MCM would have had to win TWO games to beat Dakotas one h2h win.

Originally posted by Corndog
Using win percent instead of total wins favors out of division teams, which I'm not convinced is much more fair.

Yeah, but it should be less of an issue when you remove the divisional winners and then only compare those in the running for the wildcard.

Originally posted by Time Trial
Yeah, but it should be less of an issue when you remove the divisional winners and then only compare those in the running for the wildcard.

Why does removing divisional winners make more sense?

Should we also remove wins and losses against divisional winners?

Why have divisions besides being able to have a winning # total in a very easy division compared to other teams who might have 2 other top 10 tier teams in their division?

Scrub it and re-do the the tie breaking rules similar to what TT said or re-do the whole league format to match the tie breaking formula. Which would solve the wild card #4 seed really being a possible #2 overall seed issue.

Originally posted by Time Trial
Yeah, but it should be less of an issue when you remove the divisional winners and then only compare those in the running for the wildcard.

so what if 2 teams in one division and one in another is tied and none of them are division winners?

Originally posted by joe
this is way we need a 6 team play off. Divison winners then wildcards. Give the 2 best by week.

Originally posted by Time Trial
No, this isn't.

2 more teams in a suspect system, means heads start to asplode. I get it, it would make the 1 bye week playoff system seem more real, like NFL rules...but there's about 4 too few teams per league

Also: If this is modeled after the NFL, then the league records and tie breakers etc. only come into play after the division winners have been determined (and thusly removed from the equation).

It should go:
Wins
Losses (lowest) (no need for ties, this will remove everyone except actual ties in which case...)
Head-to-Head (since everyone plays everyone they will have a h2h)
If they are still tied, then points against. (IMO they should do ladder ranking as next tiebreaker after losses...but that may be controversial)
if that's still a tie, then points for.
if that's yet still a tie, then I'm fine with a coin flip.